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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    We're talking about the US and traditional marriage in the US. Gay marriage is new here, hence the resistance to change.
    hence there is NO change for those people that share your opinion of what traditional marriage is, thats just a fact.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) yes just making sure you understand what you are posting because it definitely seemed like you thought you were posting a fact or something meaningful and logical. It was an opinion and nothing more.

    2.) see the bolded stuff above? EXACTLY they were different movements very obviously distinguishable cause they had different goals. The KKK shares some goals with Christianity does that mean they are indistinguishable of course not.

    you sources provide ZERO logic or fact to make them indistinguishable like i already said.

    SOrry there just no logical or factual reason to have think the movements were the same movement and "indistinguishable"

    by all means though again, when you have anything logical or factual to support your claim by all mean please provide.
    Everything I said about the sexual revolution is factual and I provided the sources to back it up. It's all history, so again did you even look at the sources?
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    hence there is NO change for those people that share your opinion of what traditional marriage is, thats just a fact.
    Do you disagree that changing of traditional marriage in the US is a change and that people can be very resistant to change? Because that's all that I was saying.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Do you disagree that changing of traditional marriage in the US is a change and that people can be very resistant to change? Because that's all that I was saying.
    Sometimes change is for the worse and should be resisted.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This is the kind of stuff that predicated the fall of the Roman empire. Watch for the legalization of having sex with children next.
    Read a damned history book. The Romans were the most immoral during the height of Empire, and declined most steadily after Constantine converted to Christianity and took most of the Empire with him.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Read a damned history book. The Romans were the most immoral during the height of Empire, and declined most steadily after Constantine converted to Christianity and took most of the Empire with him.
    There are numerous reasons the Roman Empire fell, I am concentrating on lack of morality because it is pertinent to this thread.

    "Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire - Decline in Morals
    One of the main causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire was the Decline in Morals. The decline in morals, especially in the rich upper classes, nobility and the emperors, had a devastating impact on the Romans. Immoral and promiscuous sexual behaviour including adultery and orgies. Emperors such as Tiberius kept groups of young boys for his pleasure, incest by Nero who also had a male slave castrated so he could take him as his wife, Elagabalus who forced a Vestal Virgin into marriage, Commodus with his harems of concubines enraged Romans by sitting in the theatre or at the games dressed in a woman's garments. The decline in morals also effected the lower classes and slaves. Religious festivals such as Saturnalia and Bacchanalia where sacrifices, ribald songs, lewd acts and sexual promiscuity were practised. Bestiality and other lewd and sexually explicit acts were exhibited in the Colosseum arena to amuse the mob. Brothels and forced prostitution flourished. Widespread gambling on the chariot races and gladiatorial combats. Massive consumption of alcohol. The sadistic cruelty towards both man and beasts in the arena."


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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why can't they be bride/bride or groom/groom? I don't understand why the terminology has to change when they could just be allowed to choose the combination of their choice.
    They could just have the couple each circle which word they each want to apply. Or just have more than one form to fill out.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There are numerous reasons the Roman Empire fell, I am concentrating on lack of morality because it is pertinent to this thread.

    "Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire - Decline in Morals
    One of the main causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire was the Decline in Morals. The decline in morals, especially in the rich upper classes, nobility and the emperors, had a devastating impact on the Romans. Immoral and promiscuous sexual behaviour including adultery and orgies. Emperors such as Tiberius kept groups of young boys for his pleasure, incest by Nero who also had a male slave castrated so he could take him as his wife, Elagabalus who forced a Vestal Virgin into marriage, Commodus with his harems of concubines enraged Romans by sitting in the theatre or at the games dressed in a woman's garments. The decline in morals also effected the lower classes and slaves. Religious festivals such as Saturnalia and Bacchanalia where sacrifices, ribald songs, lewd acts and sexual promiscuity were practised. Bestiality and other lewd and sexually explicit acts were exhibited in the Colosseum arena to amuse the mob. Brothels and forced prostitution flourished. Widespread gambling on the chariot races and gladiatorial combats. Massive consumption of alcohol. The sadistic cruelty towards both man and beasts in the arena."


    Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire
    LOL. You pick out one of many the article gives as reason, no qualifications for the blog whatsoever, nor does that statement given any rational reason why that caused "the fall." None. Just another opportunity for you to attack gays and promiscous people, which seems your purpose on the forum.

    Your article also says:
    Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire - Christianity
    One of the main causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire was Christianity. Life and the future seemed hopeless for the millions of people who were ruled by Rome where an early death was almost inevitable. Christianity taught the belief in an afterlife which gave hope and courage to the desperate. Eventually the Roman Emperor, Constantine the Great, proclaimed himself a Christian and issued an edict promising the Christians his favor and protection. Attitudes in the Roman Empire changed from being antagonistic to becoming pacifistic.

    So blame Christians for the fall of the Empire.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There are numerous reasons the Roman Empire fell, I am concentrating on lack of morality because it is pertinent to this thread.

    "Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire - Decline in Morals
    One of the main causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire was the Decline in Morals. The decline in morals, especially in the rich upper classes, nobility and the emperors, had a devastating impact on the Romans. Immoral and promiscuous sexual behaviour including adultery and orgies. Emperors such as Tiberius kept groups of young boys for his pleasure, incest by Nero who also had a male slave castrated so he could take him as his wife, Elagabalus who forced a Vestal Virgin into marriage, Commodus with his harems of concubines enraged Romans by sitting in the theatre or at the games dressed in a woman's garments. The decline in morals also effected the lower classes and slaves. Religious festivals such as Saturnalia and Bacchanalia where sacrifices, ribald songs, lewd acts and sexual promiscuity were practised. Bestiality and other lewd and sexually explicit acts were exhibited in the Colosseum arena to amuse the mob. Brothels and forced prostitution flourished. Widespread gambling on the chariot races and gladiatorial combats. Massive consumption of alcohol. The sadistic cruelty towards both man and beasts in the arena."


    Causes for the Fall of the Roman Empire
    First of all, I would heavily suggest you look for better sources than a .info page. If you're interested in Roman history, I would suggest starting with Livy's On Rome. That should carry you up to the reign of Augustus. From there, Zosimus is a pretty solid source, and Ammianus Marcellinus is very heavy source of information. If you want a more digestible, modern source I can suggest you to a dozen sources that are more reliable than a .info site.

    Now first of all, not all history sources are equal. Imagine if you got your history from the National Enquirer. Some of the things you're mentioning are about that reliable. But let's say that at least some of those debaucheries happened, and some certainly did. Under Emperors like Tiberius and Nero, the borders of Rome expanded. In fact, Rome reached its greatest extent under Trajan, who was well in that debased period you mention. Now I'm linking to a map of Rome during the Tetrarchy, shortly before the Constantine converted to Christianity and did away with the excessive sin. After Constantine and Christianity, the Western Empire fell within about 150 years. The Eastern Empire took a number of centuries, but it slowly withered into nothingness. Can you really blame the "decline in morals" when Rome was at its most powerful? Remember, it declined under Christians.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    First of all, I would heavily suggest you look for better sources than a .info page. If you're interested in Roman history, I would suggest starting with Livy's On Rome. That should carry you up to the reign of Augustus. From there, Zosimus is a pretty solid source, and Ammianus Marcellinus is very heavy source of information. If you want a more digestible, modern source I can suggest you to a dozen sources that are more reliable than a .info site.

    Now first of all, not all history sources are equal. Imagine if you got your history from the National Enquirer. Some of the things you're mentioning are about that reliable. But let's say that at least some of those debaucheries happened, and some certainly did. Under Emperors like Tiberius and Nero, the borders of Rome expanded. In fact, Rome reached its greatest extent under Trajan, who was well in that debased period you mention. Now I'm linking to a map of Rome during the Tetrarchy, shortly before the Constantine converted to Christianity and did away with the excessive sin. After Constantine and Christianity, the Western Empire fell within about 150 years. The Eastern Empire took a number of centuries, but it slowly withered into nothingness. Can you really blame the "decline in morals" when Rome was at its most powerful? Remember, it declined under Christians.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...archy_map3.jpg
    As i stated earlier in this thread I have read quite a few books on Rome and see similarities to their demise and what is going on in America today. The site and quote from it I posted sum up Romes morality issues pretty well for this venue. If you disagree that morality or should I say lack thereof had anything to do with the fall of Rome that is fine but it is one of the many theories out there. Rome fell for a myriad of reasons and IMO their decedent culture was one of them. A society where deviant behavior becomes the norm is doomed and I see us heading in that direction.

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