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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    this is simply nonsense NOBODY educated, non-bigoted, honest and object has, had or will ever have trouble distinguishing the obvious difference between equal rights and NAMBLA. WOW talk about such inane mendacious silliness.
    It can't be nonsense since it's true. Unless you are saying that it was nonsense for the gay rights movement to ever be affiliated with those guys in which case I would agree with you, smartest move on their part was distancing themselves from people like David Thorstad and Harry Hay. Both founding members of gay rights organizations with the former also the founder of NAMBLA and the latter one of their supporters. One of the less admirable products of the sexual revolution.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Dont even try that...YOU ARE THE ONE that expects straights to change their entire way of life for a few...because THEY WANT IT...just when I start to soften up a little about gay marriage they pull jerkoff **** like this and turn full bore against it....not only do they want what they BELIEVE is equal rights they want it worded to accomodate them too...and "F" everyone else and they way theyve had it all their lives....they dont want equal rights they want to impose their will on me...and I personally dont get on my knees for anyone..straight or gay...
    As a straight, married person, I would like to say that you are the one who has insulted straight people, particularly wives and/or those who take less traditional gender roles on within their marriages, more in this thread than anyone else could ever do. I don't know what is up with your view of marriage that you feel that changing words on a legal document between you and your spouse changes your marriage, but it is a personal problem of yours. My marriage is just fine. What the document says shouldn't have any effect on your marriage. I personally barely paid attention to what the marriage license I signed says. I just found out the other day that it in fact says "bride" and "groom" but we are only called by those words til the license is signed, ceremony over. Are you going to start calling your wife "person A or B" because of this change? If so, may I suggest looking for a good divorce attorney now.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So, are people going to get on one knee and ask "will you be my Person B?" This is just stupid, keep it as husband and wife, husband and husband or wife and wife.
    This is an ignorant comment. Apparently people only worry about what the marriage license says when it is an issue involving gays.

    I personally asked my husband when we were going to get married. But everyone I know who did get a proposal, didn't check the marriage license first to find out what it referred to each person as in order to "ask correctly". For my husband and I, when my ring came in, he asked if I would be his wife. Guess what? Our marriage license says "bride" and "groom". So I guess my husband is in trouble now. He didn't ask me to be his "bride", as it was annotated on the marriage license.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    To everyone: That was sarcasm... I'm picking fun at terminology and personally find "person A and person B" or "spouse A and spouse B" to be ridiculous.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    To everyone: That was sarcasm... I'm picking fun at terminology and personally find "person A and person B" or "spouse A and spouse B" to be ridiculous.
    I was showing why it shouldn't matter. No one cared two bits about what the marriage license said until same sex marriage became legal in this state, and now people are complaining about something changing that the majority likely didn't even look at except to make sure they actually were writing in the right block to begin with. It just isn't that big of a deal to change it, would be more expensive to have multiple forms, having multiple choices could easily get mixed up (heck at my annual health assessment for the Navy the guy filling out my paperwork marked me as "M" out of M/F), and honestly whoever this change bothers needs to really sit back and think why it is such an issue. It is just a legal form. It doesn't make it illegal to call yourself a wife or husband, or bride or groom. It simply makes it easier for the clerks recording your information into the system.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    To everyone: That was sarcasm... I'm picking fun at terminology and personally find "person A and person B" or "spouse A and spouse B" to be ridiculous.
    I can only speak for myself, but I knew you were being sarcastic. I was actually demonstrating exactly how ridiculous it is to find the terminology ridiculous. You personally feeling "person A and Person b" or Spouse A and Spouse B" ridiculous is identical to finding the term "dependents" ridiculous on a tax form. It's identically absurd to find such legal terminology ridiculous enough to care about it in any way.

    But people don't find "dependent" ridiculous because people usually don't have a moral objection to tax deductions... er... I mean children. They do have moral objections to gay marriage. Ergo, their irrational outrage.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As a straight, married person, I would like to say that you are the one who has insulted straight people, particularly wives and/or those who take less traditional gender roles on within their marriages, more in this thread than anyone else could ever do. I don't know what is up with your view of marriage that you feel that changing words on a legal document between you and your spouse changes your marriage, but it is a personal problem of yours. My marriage is just fine. What the document says shouldn't have any effect on your marriage. I personally barely paid attention to what the marriage license I signed says. I just found out the other day that it in fact says "bride" and "groom" but we are only called by those words til the license is signed, ceremony over. Are you going to start calling your wife "person A or B" because of this change? If so, may I suggest looking for a good divorce attorney now.
    This kind of post so full of gibberish nonesense and a very weak attempt to try and degrade someones view to make yours more important...is meaningless and know what? merits no more of a response than a smirk and gbye...bye

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    This kind of post so full of gibberish nonesense and a very weak attempt to try and degrade someones view to make yours more important...is meaningless and know what? merits no more of a response than a smirk and gbye...bye
    So what is your problem with using the words "person A or B" on a legal document? Did you research the marriage license before you got married to see what the "proper" term was for your spouse?

    And you started by telling others that one spouse had to "wear the panties" and same sex spouses needed to choose their roles. This position is insulting. It wrongly infers that there are specific gender roles in marriage to begin with that only one gender is able to fulfill.

    And then you went on about how gays made this change (which isn't true), and how it changed your position on same sex marriage (not very likely as the truth since such a thing is a stupid reason for any sensible person to change their position on something). They aren't asking you for anything and I'm pretty sure not a single person asked you to get down on your knees for anything either, not on this thread anyway.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    It can't be nonsense since it's true. Unless you are saying that it was nonsense for the gay rights movement to ever be affiliated with those guys in which case I would agree with you, smartest move on their part was distancing themselves from people like David Thorstad and Harry Hay. Both founding members of gay rights organizations with the former also the founder of NAMBLA and the latter one of their supporters. One of the less admirable products of the sexual revolution.
    "founding member" member of what? equal rights for gays? sorry but thats what makes it nonsense, they were NEVER distinguishable to anybody educated, non-bigoted, honest and object and you saying otherwise certainly doesnt make it true.

    People associating with others or people CLAIMING two things are alike doesn't make it so, those movements were always separate in reality.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    "founding member" member of what? equal rights for gays? sorry but thats what makes it nonsense, they were NEVER distinguishable to anybody educated, non-bigoted, honest and object and you saying otherwise certainly doesnt make it true.

    People associating with others or people CLAIMING two things are alike doesn't make it so, those movements were always separate in reality.
    First of all bigot is an overused word, and no longer holds any meaning because people throw it around in every other sentence like a used rag doll.

    Second, I'm not sure what the problem is here. They were are part of the same movement in the 1970's and NAMBLA marched with and as a gay rights organization until people came to their senses and disassociated with them.

    wiki source:
    By the mid-1980s, NAMBLA was virtually alone in its positions and found itself politically isolated. Gay rights organizations, burdened by accusations of child recruitment and child abuse, had abandoned the radicalism of their early years and had "retreat[ed] from the idea of a more inclusive politics,"[24] opting instead to appeal more to the mainstream. Support for "groups perceived as being on the fringe of the gay community," such as NAMBLA, vanished in the process.[24]
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    Activists in the early 1980s mustered a battery of recent research to demonstrate that young people were capable of informed consent to sex, even of soliciting sex themselves. They claimed a long history and pan-cultural relevance for intergenerational sex, and argued that the benefits of such relations far outweighed their potential abuses.

    glbtq >> social sciences >> NAMBLA

    I'm not making this stuff up, it's history, it was a part of the sexual revolution starting in the 1970's.
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