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    re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

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    re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

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    This is the kind of stuff that predicated the fall of the Roman empire. Watch for the legalization of having sex with children next.
    You got it backwards. The Roman empire collapsed after converting to Christianity and creating the first law banning same sex marriage. Learn your history. And, no I'm not saying that Christianity caused it to collapse. I'm not so ignorant as to blame a single cause or group of people leading to the fall of the Roman empire.
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    re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I have a better question when were those words ADDED?

    google marriage certificates from washington and some old ones come up, didnt see any new ones but only looked at the first 3 i found, they dont have those words on them, it says contracting parties, damn i guess those people werent husband and wife then LOL <end sarcasm>
    does anybody know the answer to this yet? when it was added i wonder if people said thats "changing the definition" and "forcing" things on me (eventhough it is not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    So, how do you define normality.
    In regards to what topic? Do more than 50% of the heterosexual public at large engage in homosexual sex persistently? This is a discussion about behavior. The average person does not have a long lasting predisposition to engage in homosexual activities. Neither do individual animals. Also, homosexual activity in the animal world can mean many different things, for example in dogs it's a form of behavior in regards to dominance.

    I tend to not look at behavior as simplistically as what you would emotionally consider "normal". There are vast complexities at play. Apparently your panties are in a bunch of anyone having the opinion that Homosexual Activity is not "normal". Freud for example considered homosexuality rooted in paranoia. You going to ignore his research and call him stupid too?

    There was no dodge, as you threw nothing but empty rhetoric.
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    The bolded portions of that line are the only ones with actual facts backing them up.

    Numerous studies prove that gay couples can raise children just as effectively as straight couples.

    Go ahead Bronson. Try to debate that.
    Gay Parents Study Suggesting Downside For Kids Draws Fire From Social Scientists

    The research surveyed almost 3,000 18- to 39-year-olds. Most were raised by heterosexual parents, but 175 had mothers who at one point had same-sex relationships and another 73 of whom had dads once in same-sex relationships. The results suggested that children of these parents are more likely than kids in other family structures to be on public assistance, unemployed or in therapy as adults, among other negative outcomes.
    Which in reality are outward signs of the emotional and psychological trauma unfolding within these people. Why would you deny a child their right to be raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household? There is no doubt it is the best environment to raise children in. Why deny them their birthright?

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Gay Parents Study Suggesting Downside For Kids Draws Fire From Social Scientists



    Which in reality are outward signs of the emotional and psychological trauma unfolding within these people. Why would you deny a child their right to be raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household? There is no doubt it is the best environment to raise children in. Why deny them their birthright?
    Did you not you read the rest of that article you posted? It's drawing criticism because of it's slanted method of research.

    Strong criticism

    But other scientists say the research is deeply flawed, and does not measure the effect of same-sex parenting at all. The study defined same-sex parenting by asking participants if their parents had ever had same-sex relationships, and whether they had lived with the parent at that time. That led to a "hodgepodge" group of people who Regnerus then compared with kids in stable, married homes, said Judith Stacey, a sociologist at New York University who was not involved in the research.

    "He doesn't have an actual category of gay parents in the project that you can isolate and say the most important thing in this kid's childhood is that they were raised by gay parents," Stacey told LiveScience. "These are kids whose parents, maybe they divorced, maybe they separated, maybe they had a scandalous affair, we just don't know." [5 Myths About Gay People]

    In contrast, a fair comparison would have matched up children of same-sex parents with children of heterosexual parents who looked otherwise similar — no extra divorces, no extra separations, no extra time in foster care for the kids, said Gary Gates, a researcher at the Williams Institute, a sexual orientation policy think tank at the University of California, Los Angeles.

    Instead, Regnerus categorized all people who said their parents were once in a same-sex relationship in the same group, even if those people had also experienced major childhood upheavals. About half of the people whose parents had ever been in gay or lesbian relationships also said their parents had once been in a heterosexual marriage, suggesting that a great many of these children were the products of a heterosexual relationship in which one parent later came out as gay or bisexual. Fifty-eight percent of those raised by moms who'd indicated a lesbian experience said their mother once left the household during their youth, and 14 percent said they'd spent time in foster care.

    "All he found is that family instability is bad for children and that's hardly groundbreaking or new," Gates, who was not involved in the research, told LiveScience.
    It's because the instability in same-sex parent families is largely due to things outside the home. Society's perception of non-straight relationships, bullying, homophobia, and other hatefully BS definitely has an effect on family. If your family was being berated for what it was, if your parents' relationship was constantly being chastised and delegitimized, if you're being picked on and bullied at school because kids found out you have two moms or two dads, I'm sure it would have some sort of effect on you. Our civilization hasn't even given same-sex parent families the chance to actually thrive without constant hate and criticism, so it's no wonder there are adverse effects on the children.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post


    Gay Parents Study Suggesting Downside For Kids Draws Fire From Social Scientists



    Which in reality are outward signs of the emotional and psychological trauma unfolding within these people. Why would you deny a child their right to be raised by their biological parents in a low conflict household? There is no doubt it is the best environment to raise children in. Why deny them their birthright?
    Did you actually read the link that you posted? Heres a quote from the link. "The study defined same-sex parenting by asking participants if their parents had ever had same-sex relationships, and whether they had lived with the parent at that time." That is not the same as a child living in a household where the two same sex parents have a stable relationship. That is the problem. He was comparing that to stable heterosexual relationships to come up with his answer.

    Seriously actually read the link you posted.

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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

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    Did you actually read the link that you posted? Heres a quote from the link. "The study defined same-sex parenting by asking participants if their parents had ever had same-sex relationships, and whether they had lived with the parent at that time." That is not the same as a child living in a household where the two same sex parents have a stable relationship. That is the problem. He was comparing that to stable heterosexual relationships to come up with his answer.

    Seriously actually read the link you posted.
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    Re: State to Eliminate “Bride” & “Groom” on Marriage Certificates [W:303]

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    It would be nice if just once someone would explain how changes like this are supposed to lead to a destroy world where the liberals are able to take over and create utopia. Is it a God dooming the nation thing?
    It's an attempt to redefine traditional marriage; hence the terminology changes. The pro-gay marriage folks in Washington got what they wanted, legalized gay marriage, but obviously that's not enough for them.
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