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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

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    Wrong...
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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    And?
    If you don't care that you're equivocating, I am sure I don't either.
    It's just an fyi for the general reader then.
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    Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    I think that a healthy wealth distribution is one that includes some wealth inequality. I do, however, think that there needs to be a system through which people are prevented from becoming "too big to fail" so to speak, especially across generations of wealthy families. Extreme wealth inequality is damaging to an economy, but some inequality (along with upward mobility) promotes productivity and ambition.
    Does wealth inequality mean that there are some people have more than you? What of it?
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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So then the problem isn't taxes. It's too much money given to non-essential special interests. That's absolutely an issue that merits discussion, and serious reactions. But throwing a temper tantrum over taxes is just childish.
    No one is throwing a tantrum. Britain is simply providing a massive incentive for them to leave, and so people are responding to the incentives.


    Aesop was right - You can't, actually get gold out of the goose by cutting on it.

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    Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You sure do use the term "tea party" a lot. Do you assume everyone that disagrees with you is a member of the tea party? Or do you recognize that there are more political and moral views than two?
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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So where did all the now ex-British millionaires go?
    There's no indication that they "went" anywhere.

    There's no evidence offered of any one moving. The only evidence offered is how much income people listed on their tax returns. Taxes went up and fewer people let themselves be subject to the tax.
    They could have claimed money ahead of the tax increase so that the money wouldn't be subject to the higher rate. They could have moved their money into different vehicle which are subject to different taxes. They could have done quite a number of things with their money to reduce their tax burden.

    It's supremely silly imho to take the data offered as evidence that people emigrated and became ex-pats.

    But, then again, I have no vested interest in believing such tripe, so I am not likely to get pulled in by that one.

    Find some articles talking about how cool I am and what a great dad I am, and I'll be unlikely to see how flawed the articles are. ; )
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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Simon is onto something.

    What the right wing ranters forget is fewer people filing in a certain bracket is a myriad of reasons besides the one that fits their rant.

    One big reason fewer filed in the higher tax bracket is their income fell due to weak economic conditions. If you make less money you don't qualify for the higher rates. If your stock income takes a drastic hit, your business is in a slump due to lower consumer spending, you start a trust fund, make a sizable charitable donation because you were just a few grand over the 1 million mark....

    No the only 'reason' right wing ranters see is an increase in tax rate and the only 'result' was the millionaires MUST be fleeing.

    Now on using Nazi Germany, Hitler, and the Jewish exodus from pre WWII Germany...

    It is beyond reasoned discourse to drag all of that into this.

    Now if England made every millionaire wear a distinctive badge, highly restricted their businesses, took their vote away, ban marriage outside their group, highly restricted their travel...

    well you might could use Nazis, Hitler, and Jews in this...

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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    There's no indication that they "went" anywhere.
    You're correct. It's called moving your money while you sit still.

    The Myth of the Millionaires' Exodus

    A gaping hole in this argument is that by the HMRC's own admission, a great deal of this drop was accounted for by (the non-PAYE paying) super-rich bringing bringing forward their income ('forestalling') and declaring it in 2009/2010 tax year instead, ahead of the pre-announced 50p tax rise. The key point is, by its nature forestalling can only happen once - those who did so could not have kept doing it in the years after; they would have had to have paid up. The 2010/2011 yield was thus artificially deflated; totally anomalous, and unreliable as a baseline. There may have been other more permanent forms of evasion in the mix, but the only way of knowing this - and the true effectiveness of the 50p tax - for sure would have been to wait for 2011/2012 returns. Which is presumably by Osborne avoided doing just that (given there was good evidence it raised a significant sum of money).
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    Re: Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No one is throwing a tantrum. Britain is simply providing a massive incentive for them to leave, and so people are responding to the incentives.

    Aesop was right - You can't, actually get gold out of the goose by cutting on it.
    And the idea that rich people are the source of prosperity for a people is insane. The golden goose, as you put it, is the hardworking citizens who build things, make things work, and invent new things. None of that is contingent on wealth, nor disproportionately concentrated into the upper class. Quite the opposite, in fact. There's nothing "golden goose" about the upper classes.
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    Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And the idea that rich people are the source of prosperity for a people is insane. The golden goose, as you put it, is the hardworking citizens who build things, make things work, and invent new things. None of that is contingent on wealth, nor disproportionately concentrated into the upper class. Quite the opposite, in fact. There's nothing "golden goose" about the upper classes.
    What are these hard working people going to build next? I might want to invest in it.
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