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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    The private sector companies don't as they only care about hitting their profit goals.
    I'm curious if you realize how much money would be to gain from curing AIDS.

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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang
    If this were true then the federal government had no buisness freeing slaves. Which was allowed under the Constitution at the time.
    Since being a slave is a violation of your rights the government would still be in the business of acting on that. Government is not in the business of being compassionate however.

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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ahhh yes the typical "do it yourself attitude"? Well guess what i am doing it myself writing to my congressman, im writing to tell them to keep funding gov funded aids research. Why? Because i believe the government can also help its people instead of killing poor people in some foreign country.
    I object. We never killed or targeted just the "poor" people. They were usually the ones we were doing the killing for. In a lot of cases, killing some is helping others, usually far more than we kill.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Writing to a congressman is doing it yourself. It's voicing your opinions and your opinions in an ideal democracy should constitute the actions of those in power.

    Government must have its place in preventing disease. Eugenics is a ridiculous arguement, that people deserve to die because of their irresponsible actions (which they must sorely regret).

    Would you like to live in a world where the government has no place in curing disease? Where quarantines are unheard of and diseases and devastation are left to run their course, and scientists are without funds to pursue any project.

    Good samaritans may or may not donate to an organization combatting aids. Nobody's forcing them to, so who says they will.

    Private enterprise works to make a profit. Private enterprise doesn't have morality checks in place to see that the money isn't being misused, that the victims aren't put through more suffering to make an extra buck. There is money to made in disease research. If a vaccine for a disease is found, and one company is the sole possessor of that vaccine, they can jack up the price and profit off of victims' pain. Of couse, this is highly immoral but private enterprise left to its own devices, has no spot for morality. If it makes no money of the vaccine, then it will be left to rely on those good samaritans giving them money. Private enterprise is just fine if it concerns itself with unnecessary items or there is competition in place to assure fairness, but I would not trust it to manage people's well-being.

    If morality has no place in government and it has no place in private enterprise, what ensures that we live in a moral world? Good samaritans?

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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Amigo View Post
    And suddenly big government is the alternative? Ever heard of personal responsibility, and person to person charity?
    Personal responsibility and individual charity didn't eradicate smallpox and they're not going to eradicate HIV. It is not sufficient for us to care for people afflicted with terminal, contagious diseases. Both compassion and public order require that we take every reasonable step to contain, minimize, and eventually eradicate these diseases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Oh, and there are many others, especially in my circles, who are partial to the same thing.
    Good for you. I hope the benefits of your wisdom and self-control are not compromised by misplaced trust in someone who lacks those qualities-- it would truly be a pity for you to go virgin to your wedding bed and then die of some filthy disease your spouse brought home.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Careful now, you're strolling dangerously close to the Eugenics plank.
    I'm outright walking it. Society can only go so far coddling weakness before that weakness spreads. The problem here is that people are not properly acknowledging contagious diseases as the source of disorder that they are-- infection does not care if you are virtuous.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    In any case, most modern societies have moved past the absurd notion of genetic purification whether that be achieved by action or non action ("natural occurrences") such as your endorsing. Those who support such ideas should be led as far away from positions of power or influence as humanly possible.
    Evolution is absurd? The fact that, as biological organisms, humans are built upon and differentiated by a framework of genetic information that determines our individual traits... that's absurd? The fact that natural selection and Darwinian evolution did not mysteriously stop when they produced the first homo sapiens sapiens, that we are still subject to these forces even today, is absurd?

    Because it sounds to me that you are arguing the absurd position that we are somehow now exempt from the very biological processes that produced us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm curious if you realize how much money would be to gain from curing AIDS.
    Very very little compared to treating AIDS. Vaccines are cheap.

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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by belyay View Post
    Writing to a congressman is doing it yourself. It's voicing your opinions and your opinions in an ideal democracy should constitute the actions of those in power.
    No, writing your congressperson is not doing it yourself, it is asking others to do it, in the case of congress, the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by belyay View Post
    Eugenics is a ridiculous arguement, that people deserve to die because of their irresponsible actions (which they must sorely regret).
    No, that is natural selection and is the core of Evolution.


    Quote Originally Posted by belyay View Post
    Would you like to live in a world where the government has no place in curing disease? Where quarantines are unheard of and diseases and devastation are left to run their course, and scientists are without funds to pursue any project.
    Quarantining to control the spread of disease is not "government curing disease". It is the government protecting people from the spread of a disease, that falls under defense of the country. Also, Quarantining may have and still could stop the spread of aids and cause it to die out. Want to use it for aids then?

    Quote Originally Posted by belyay View Post
    Good samaritans may or may not donate to an organization combatting aids. Nobody's forcing them to, so who says they will.
    No body. If not enough fell strongly about it to donate, then refer back to natural selection occurring.

    Quote Originally Posted by belyay View Post
    If morality has no place in government and it has no place in private enterprise, what ensures that we live in a moral world? Good samaritans?
    Where did anyone say that "morality has no place in government", other than when they vote for liberals? Funny you bring up morality to argue for aids research when the lack of morality co-joined with stupidity is the primary cause of the disease spreading.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm curious if you realize how much money would be to gain from curing AIDS.
    Treatments are more profitable than cures. Once someone is cured they no longer have to buy medications,supplements and other forms of treatment from the company.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm curious if you realize how much money would be to gain from curing AIDS.
    Evidentialy not enough, as the drug makers are not working on it.

    Like cancer, there is more money in the treatment rather than the cure.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Evidentialy not enough, as the drug makers are not working on it.
    Why would they work on it? Isn't the government already doing that?

    Like cancer, there is more money in the treatment rather than the cure.
    That much is true.

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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That isn't doing it yourself. That is getting other people to do it for you.
    Uhh writing to your congressman is doing it yourself. Its expressing your opinion.


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