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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh yes, lets all get tested before every sex act. Lets all also ignore the fact that sometimes condoms break. Lets also ignore all the people that this virus was transmitted to because of simple accidents.
    Since the disease is not just transmitted by sexual activity, you statement doesn't even apply to all aids cases. If you live a high-risk sexual lifestyle, homosexual man, promiscuous sex with many unknown partners, swinging, etc. Then yes, you should be getting regular testing done.

    Do you have any statistic of how many cases are caused by condom breakage? How much of that breakage is caused by improper use of the condom? How many get the disease by accident?

    U.S. Statistics newest statics given.

    Only approximately 1.2 million current cases in the US today. What percentage of our population is that?

    Of new cases,

    61% are Homosexual men or men engaged in sex acts with other men.
    9% Intravenous drug users
    3% homosexual male intravenous drug users
    27% Heterosexual

    Of the heterosexuals, there is no break down on how they got it, or rather I haven't found a breakdown for it. How many of those are involved in activities such as swinging, multiple unprotected partners, prostitution, etc.

    So those getting it by accident while not involved in high-risk activities is very small. Definitely less that 324,000 individuals in the US. (27% of the 1.2 million infected statistic)


    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    After all, those that are irresponsible are sub-human and don't deserve simple human compassion...amiright?
    Compassion is not a governmental function. If you are so compassionate about it, how much do you donate to aids research?

    Generally, my compassion is for the innocent victim, not someone suffering deprivations from their own actions. In the specific case of aids, we are talking about fare less than 300 thousand individuals out of a population of over 300 million. Those who get it accidentally are less than only .001% of the population. During a time of budgetary crises, such as exist today, this is not a significant number to justify any government spending. If we had the money to spend, no deficit, no debt, the vast majority of sufferers were victims instead of idiots, and a cure has been found for all diseases not primarily caused by personal actions, then maybe it would be ok for the government to spend on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post


    This thread shows just how prevalent greed is in our society.
    Since greed is not in anyway associated with my stance, I am not for sure how it is relevant to this thread.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    See, I knew that in time you might actually start developing a proper attitude towards government, keep learning, you will get there.
    Apparently that "proper attitude" is very immoral and pathetic...


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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Did it inspire you to open your check book and give to the cause?
    No it inspired me to write to my congressman.


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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Since the disease is not just transmitted by sexual activity, you statement doesn't even apply to all aids cases. If you live a high-risk sexual lifestyle, homosexual man, promiscuous sex with many unknown partners, swinging, etc. Then yes, you should be getting regular testing done.
    Bold: It wasn't intended to show all of them. It was intended to show you all the ways that innocents can get it through no fault of thier own. And regular testing as it is currently done would not stop the transmission of the disease from someone that got it the day after testing and transmitted it a month later. (last i heard its recommended that you get checked every 3 or 6 months...plenty of time to transmit it before knowing you have it)

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Do you have any statistic of how many cases are caused by condom breakage? How much of that breakage is caused by improper use of the condom? How many get the disease by accident?
    Irrelevent. Those with compassion would still do what they can to help.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Only approximately 1.2 million current cases in the US today. What percentage of our population is that?
    Irrelevent. A human life is a human life. The only ones not worth saving are serial killers and child rapists.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Of the heterosexuals, there is no break down on how they got it, or rather I haven't found a breakdown for it. How many of those are involved in activities such as swinging, multiple unprotected partners, prostitution, etc.
    You're the one with the claim that they are being irresponsible. Perhaps you should get that data before claiming that they are irresponsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So those getting it by accident while not involved in high-risk activities is very small. Definitely less that 324,000 individuals in the US. (27% of the 1.2 million infected statistic)
    And how many innocents in the entire world are there? If we found a cure to AID's we would save millions of lives. Not your meager few hundred thousand. Unless of course you wanted to keep the cure away from the rest of the world?




    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Compassion is not a governmental function.
    If this were true then the federal government had no buisness freeing slaves. Which was allowed under the Constitution at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    If you are so compassionate about it, how much do you donate to aids research?
    $10 a month. You?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Generally, my compassion is for the innocent victim, not someone suffering deprivations from their own actions. In the specific case of aids, we are talking about fare less than 300 thousand individuals out of a population of over 300 million. Those who get it accidentally are less than only .001% of the population. During a time of budgetary crises, such as exist today, this is not a significant number to justify any government spending. If we had the money to spend, no deficit, no debt, the vast majority of sufferers were victims instead of idiots, and a cure has been found for all diseases not primarily caused by personal actions, then maybe it would be ok for the government to spend on it.
    A cure for AIDS would affect far more people than just US citizens. It would affect the entire world. Where there are millions of innocent victims. Especially in Africa.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No it inspired me to write to my congressman.
    Typical socialist behavior, why do something yourself instead of demanding that the government do it for you.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because libertarians actually have to ask this kind of question.



    You want the answer to this question?

    Because it kills millions of people.
    So because it kills millions of people the government is supposed to act? Why?

    And yes, I do have to ask this question. Just because a disease is killing people does not mean the government has the authority or justification to act. Funding disease research should not be an assumed power of the government. It would appear to me to be a responsibility of the people desiring a cure, and nothing else. Just because people die and they are innocent of any wrong doing also does not mean the government should act or has the authority to act.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Typical socialist behavior, why do something yourself instead of demanding that the government do it for you.
    There does indeed seem to be plenty of support of these kind of things. I wonder why they won't fund it themselves?

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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold: It wasn't intended to show all of them. It was intended to show you all the ways that innocents can get it through no fault of thier own. And regular testing as it is currently done would not stop the transmission of the disease from someone that got it the day after testing and transmitted it a month later. (last i heard its recommended that you get checked every 3 or 6 months...plenty of time to transmit it before knowing you have it)
    If they are involved in high risk behavior, they should get check much more regularly than that. Like whenever they switch partners or take on a new one.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Irrelevent. Those with compassion would still do what they can to help.
    It may irrelevant for an individual, however, governmental spending does have to take numbers into account.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Irrelevent. A human life is a human life. The only ones not worth saving are serial killers and child rapists.
    I disagree. A human life only has value to those who actually know and care about the individual. It only has a value to the rest of humanity if that life is a contributer to society instead of a detractor from society or a threat to society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're the one with the claim that they are being irresponsible. Perhaps you should get that data before claiming that they are irresponsible.
    I have more than enough data. If you engage in high risk activities, then you are being irresponsible. If your "protection" fails while voluntarily engaged in high risk activities, it is not an accident to me. The data clearly shows that it is primarily spread by those who voluntarily participate in know high risk activities. We know the risk factors, we know how it is spread, so by participating in the high risk activity, you accept the possibility of infection. Don't want to get infected, stay away from high risk activities, while not a 100% guarantee, data clearly shows that the risk is very, very small if you stay away from known risk factors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And how many innocents in the entire world are there? If we found a cure to AID's we would save millions of lives. Not your meager few hundred thousand. Unless of course you wanted to keep the cure away from the rest of the world?
    That depends, I would definitely keep it away from socialist and socialistic countries or dictatorships. I would do more good for them to give them arms to overthrow tyranny than to give them a cure for a mostly voluntary infection that can be easily prevented. If you really care that much about, go buy a box of Trojans and send it to them. For most of those places, like in Africa, they have far more to worry about than just aids.





    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If this were true then the federal government had no buisness freeing slaves. Which was allowed under the Constitution at the time.
    Actually, feeing the slaves was a constitutional amendment and one primarily pursued by politicians for political gain, not out of compassion. I don't expect anything but selfish behavior from the people in the government. As far as "compassionate" needs in this country, aids is pretty close to the bottom of the priority list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    $10 a month. You?
    Nothing. Why would I give to a cause that does not affect me? I have enough medical conditions already, I would give to a cause pursuing research into one of them long before I give to research to find a cure for an almost completely preventable disease, especially a disease that I am not at risk for.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A cure for AIDS would affect far more people than just US citizens. It would affect the entire world. Where there are millions of innocent victims. Especially in Africa.
    Overthrowing oppressive regimes and educating them would affect a far greater number of people. Of course we really should try doing the same thing here first, before doing it there. And with a change in their societies, the amount of new aids cases would drop to around the same rate as in the US. For most of Africa, if you are not building a new society for them, then you are pretty much just wasting money.
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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Typical socialist behavior, why do something yourself instead of demanding that the government do it for you.
    Ahhh yes the typical "do it yourself attitude"? Well guess what i am doing it myself writing to my congressman, im writing to tell them to keep funding gov funded aids research. Why? Because i believe the government can also help its people instead of killing poor people in some foreign country.


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    Re: Naked AIDS Activists Occupy Boehner's Office

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ahhh yes the typical "do it yourself attitude"? Well guess what i am doing it myself writing to my congressman, im writing to tell them to keep funding gov funded aids research. Why? Because i believe the government can also help its people instead of killing poor people in some foreign country.
    That isn't doing it yourself. That is getting other people to do it for you.

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