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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Hmmm. PeteEU??
    I did not, I gave America part blame.. big difference. Ignoring the facts and the obvious seems to be your motus operandi.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I did not, I gave America part blame.. big difference. Ignoring the facts and the obvious seems to be your motus operandi.
    Not so.

    Here is what you actually said.
    And as usual you and you bed fellows ignore the fact that the crisis was created and started by the American's
    I can understand why you don't bother reading your posts. I find them tiresome as well.

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not so.

    Here is what you actually said.


    I can understand why you don't bother reading your posts. I find them tiresome as well.
    Yes and that is a FACT. The current credit crunch and financial crises was created and started in the US.. how on earth can you even try to deny that. Lehman Brothers was the final trigger for the crisis in the US mortgage market and that effected the whole world, pushing European countries to and over a brink that they would not have to deal with so suddenly if it was not for the American sub-prime mortgage market collapse. And the US sup-prime mortgage crisis was created by right wing ideologies that promote deregulation and lazzie faire control of the markets, and very low interest rates... and utter greed.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes and that is a FACT. The current credit crunch and financial crises was created and started in the US.. how on earth can you even try to deny that. Lehman Brothers was the final trigger for the crisis in the US mortgage market and that effected the whole world, pushing European countries to and over a brink that they would not have to deal with so suddenly if it was not for the American sub-prime mortgage market collapse. And the US sup-prime mortgage crisis was created by right wing ideologies that promote deregulation and lazzie faire control of the markets, and very low interest rates... and utter greed.
    So how does that square with this?
    I did not, I gave America part blame.
    In fact many countries stayed away from the mortgage market but European banks bought into them because of the changing demographics banks had to put there money elsewhere.

    Countries such as Canada, Brazil, Australia, among many others, were not effected by Lehman Brothers etc. The problems in the United States and Europe are due to their own mismanagement and irresponsibility. They took, and are taking, the easy road and passing their incompetence and cowardice on to the next generation.

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact many countries stayed away from the mortgage market
    Yes and in Europe it was 3 countries... Ireland, UK and Spain, who fueled their whole economies with a building boom like no other. Ireland collapsed fast, Spain is hanging on for now and the UK bailed out their banking sector by nationalizing them and have still not managed to gain control of the housing market or lending market.

    but European banks bought into them because of the changing demographics banks had to put there money elsewhere.
    Horse**** on so many fronts. The credit crisis was due to banks all over the world buying US backed securities by the boatload, and especially the European banks.. because they were highly profitable. When the **** hit the fan, then the value of these securities went down the tubes and were impossible actually value... and that meant that banks stopped not only lending to people and companies but to each other because they had no idea what they had of money.

    This ultimately cost the lives of banks in Ireland, Germany, Belgium and especially in the UK where most of the private banking sector (UK owned) was nationalized.

    And because of the credit crunch and lack of lending, companies did not have money pay their workers and from there everything went down hill... both in the US and in Europe and we have still not recovered from this.

    In the end.. it all started with American mortgages.

    Countries such as Canada, Brazil, Australia, among many others, were not effected by Lehman Brothers etc.
    OMFG are you even on planet Earth? EVERYONE was effected, some more than others. The intra bank lending system collapsed over night because of the greed of American and European banks.... and that DID effect Canada, Brazil and Australia in the short term. Oh and it is a horse**** argument when it comes to these 3 countries... Canada and Australia are giants in natural resources we all need, and Brazil is feeding the planet pretty much.. so of course they would less effected than others... Russia was also not as hard hit... wonder why...

    The problems in the United States and Europe are due to their own mismanagement and irresponsibility.
    On that we can agree on ... some what. Many of the problems in Europe were self inflicted but the trigger that lead them to become full blown problems that had to be dealt with here and now, and not over a decade... was the collapse of the US mortgage market and the collapse of Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns and near collapse of Bank of America, CitiGroup and a buttload of other major banks.

    But in the end, America's and European problems is not the wealth fare state and we wont dismantle it just to feed some right wing fantasy. The problem is that countries are run by special interests that can buy influence and **** on the rest of the population. It is corporations that dont pay taxes and rich people that dont pay their fair share. It is with regulation that hinders job creation and at the same time be-riches people and corporations that send jobs overseas... it is in many ways a cancer on capitalism and it needs to be cut out.

    They took, and are taking, the easy road and passing their incompetence and cowardice on to the next generation.
    Horse****. The only ones taking are the banks and financial institutions we all bailed out. They STILL give billions in bonuses to their fat cat employees, while average Joe cant feed his family.. that is disgusting. Have they started loaning money out or have they started to play fair with underwater mortgages? Of course not, because they know the government will just bail them out yet again. The very banks that caused the problem in the first place are often bigger today than they ever have been... and that is frankly disgusting.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Hey, I'm not the one arguing that Europe's problems are the same everywhere like you are. Spain's issues are vastly different from Greece's or Ireland's. Only a fool argues that Europe has a singular problem.
    Genius... did you read about why Catalonia wanted to create their own nation?
    That's the thread... do you know why? (Jeopardy theme...)

    It's called spread the wealth around. Where they pay, and someone else does the spreading and not to their region.
    They don't like it. They don't like feeding Spain's Parasite Nation.
    I guess you call that Capitalism.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Genius... did you read about why Catalonia wanted to create their own nation?
    Genius, do you have any understanding of Spain?
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Genius, do you have any understanding of Spain?
    ROTFLOL...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Anger over "unfair" tax demands from Madrid have fueled separatist sentiment in the industrious and economically important region, as Spain suffers deep economic crisis and unpopular austerity measures.


    Many voters believe the region, which boasts a strong cultural identity and its own language and contributes 20 per cent of Spain's economic output, would fare better economically as an individual state within the European Union.

    Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence - Telegraph
    Oooo... this could be interesting.

    I could see north Italy (Sud Tirol) trying the same. Belgium has its French/Flemish problems... All due to one successful segment of the population tired of others thieving their wealth.


    Hmmm sounds like Obama and the Libs Parasite Nation.
    Checkmate.
    Screwed yourself again. Nothing new.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yes and that is a FACT. The current credit crunch and financial crises was created and started in the US.. how on earth can you even try to deny that. Lehman Brothers was the final trigger for the crisis in the US mortgage market and that effected the whole world, pushing European countries to and over a brink that they would not have to deal with so suddenly if it was not for the American sub-prime mortgage market collapse. And the US sup-prime mortgage crisis was created by right wing ideologies that promote deregulation and lazzie faire control of the markets, and very low interest rates... and utter greed.
    The whole world? In fact much of the world had no reaction to the Lehman Brothers collapse. Europe was on the road to ruination anyway, no matter that an a financial company collapsed or not.

    But you said, "I gave America part blame.. big difference. Ignoring the facts and the obvious seems to be your motus operandi".

    So is what's happening in Europe the fault of the Americans, were they partly to blame, or what? Was Europe at any fault at all?

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