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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL so you are saying that deregulation, lazzie-faire market regulation (if any) and giving banks and big business a free run... is not GOP policy since basically Reagan?
    It's not about what I am saying, it's about what you said,

    You said
    They only copied the GOP policies of the last 20 years.. so that explains a lot.

    And I responded with
    Of course the GOP did not have control for the past 20 years but, in any case. which policies are you referring to?
    Do you acknowledge that the GOP has not been in power for the last 20 years and can you name the specific policies which you said were copied?

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    The great thing about this is that it will begin the shift away from the totally artificial states of western Europe towards a real 'Europe of the Nations'. Good luck, Catalunya!

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Read what I had written again. There is an operative word there... find it.
    In other words you cant admit you forgot about your civil war.. okay..

    Wages in Spain are/have been inflated 20 to 30%. I can't find the German article, but it's a problem. I'll find it eventually and post it.
    I know the theory and the article... but it is the housing bubble that caused the inflation of the wages. The housing bubble was caused in large part due to cheap credit and a lazzie-fair regulatory system... run and set up in large part by the Conservative party, who's main policies are a mirror image of the GOP. There is no doubt that wages in Spain need to go down, but that will mean prices need to go down as well.. and that aint gonna happen any time soon. And in the end, if wages did go down along with prices, it would threaten the German industrial machine big time, since jobs would move to Spain because Spain is not only the gate way to central and south America, but also has a high educated society compared to other "low wage" areas. It also has the infrastructure needed.

    There have been some who have not been fiscally responsible.
    That is a freaking understatement. Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr put together about 2/3s of the US debt load... Add to that places like Alaska and other red states who are leeches on American society, and you betcha the GOP has been fiscally irresponsible for the last 30 years. Long gone are the days of Ike.

    It would have been wiser to let the Left screw the country badly than to get along and share a hair of credit for financial mismanagement. Today we could point clearly and say... you Socilaists farked it up. We still can, but we end up fighting the BS like you posted above.
    Dude, you do realize that most countries in Europe have had conservative aka right leaning governments for the last decade plus pretty much? That they followed the GOP lead US economic policies for the last 2 decades and look where that got them?

    The Left uses this tactic at every turn... and then claim the right didn't go far enough and they'll simply correct that another day... just as they plan to do with ObamaKare.
    The right and you are in denial. Not once have I heard anyone on the right admitting that it was their failed policies that got the US and the world into the mess it is in now. Not once.

    There is no winning when dealing with the Socialists. Compromise is defeat. ... and the bastards never tell you their ultimate goals... fact is... they keep moving the goal posts.
    Compromise is an alien word for the American right... and it seems you.

    When the goal posts and game has moved to the latrine... where the western world finds itself now... they want even more power and more government. The fools that farked us in the first place with their senseless PONZI schemes.
    The only PONZI schemes there have been are on wall street and run by the rights and the GOPs masters.. the banks. And the GOP still cant admit that they got it wrong and it was their masters that screwed the rest of the world over and we all .. well not the wealthy of course... but the real people, aka the poor and middle class, had to bail their asses out.

    But don't call it socialism... I wonder... when will the Germans alter the term Sozialmarktwirtschaft? ROTFLOL...
    So now you are making fun of the German language ?
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    A nice post that said... absolutely nothing.
    So more or less like all of your posts. Got it.

    Do you know the problems of the Flemish and Sud Tirol? Do you know there is a Sud Tirol? Do you know why these folks are similar in mentality to those in Catalonia who voted for independence.

    BTW... been to Bremen lately?
    Hey, I'm not the one arguing that Europe's problems are the same everywhere like you are. Spain's issues are vastly different from Greece's or Ireland's. Only a fool argues that Europe has a singular problem.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So more or less like all of your posts. Got it. Hey, I'm not the one arguing that Europe's problems are the same everywhere like you are. Spain's issues are vastly different from Greece's or Ireland's. Only a fool argues that Europe has a singular problem.
    I doubt anyone has said Europe has a singular problem, in fact the entire mess is riddled with problems. And, as usual, they blame their problems on the Americans.

    All the adults seem to have emigrated.

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt anyone has said Europe has a singular problem, in fact the entire mess is riddled with problems. And, as usual, they blame their problems on the Americans.
    Who blamed their problems on the Americans?

    You should check with Zimmer about that singular problems line.

    Going off on the stupid parasite line suggests neither of you two have any real understanding of the issues.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt anyone has said Europe has a singular problem, in fact the entire mess is riddled with problems.
    It is constantly said on these boards including from you... aka the "European problem".. as in singular problem.

    And, as usual, they blame their problems on the Americans.
    And as usual you and you bed fellows ignore the fact that the crisis was created and started by the American's and the European problems are often directly related to this crisis.

    Greece would never have gotten so bad if it was not for American banks colluding with the former Greek conservative government to hide billions of dollars of loans from everyone. It would never have gotten so bad if those very same banks after giving the loans, not only took out CDO on said loans but then started a whisper campaign against Greece and have ever since attempted to push Greece of the ledge. Had the whole situation been transparent (dunno if you understand that word), then the "Greek problem" would have been discovered long ago and been fixed by now. Yes the Greeks are responsible for their situation but they had help and those that helped them are just as responsible for the problems.

    Spain would never have gotten into problems if it was not for cheap credit, which was result of American lead world financial policy. Yes the politicians actively promoted the building and when they realized there was a bubble they did not do anything about it, but there would be no building if it was not for the cheap loans. Yes the Euro had a large part in the problem as well, but it was not singular in creating the problem and American interest rates had their part. Without low interest rates in the US, then there would be no ultra low interest rates in Europe.

    And in the end, the problems of Europe would never have hit if it was not for the credit crunch which happened because of American banks and their idiotic 10 year greed feast.

    While far from all the problems are American related, the root cause of the problems often are, and Americans are still in denial that their financial miss-management over the last 10 to 20 years is the root cause of the financial troubles the planet is in now. Instead they actually blame Europeans and anyone else for their own troubles, which is rich to say the least.
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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

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    It is constantly said on these boards including from you... aka the "European problem".. as in singular problem.
    Then you should have no problem using my quote. If I ever used the singular then it was in error.
    And as usual you and you bed fellows ignore the fact that the crisis was created and started by the American's and the European problems are often directly related to this crisis.
    Yes, yes, I know. The problems begin with the Americans. It has been that way for well over a century now. Meanwhile other areas of the world are doing quite well. Do the Americans get credit for that? Europe, by now, should be able to chart their own destiny but are still relaint onm the Americans. What a pitiful lot.
    Greece would never have gotten so bad if it was not for American banks colluding with the former Greek conservative government to hide billions of dollars of loans from everyone. It would never have gotten so bad if those very same banks after giving the loans, not only took out CDO on said loans but then started a whisper campaign against Greece and have ever since attempted to push Greece of the ledge. Had the whole situation been transparent (dunno if you understand that word), then the "Greek problem" would have been discovered long ago and been fixed by now. Yes the Greeks are responsible for their situation but they had help and those that helped them are just as responsible for the problems.
    Right. The Americans are responsible for Greece. Got it.

    Spain would never have gotten into problems if it was not for cheap credit, which was result of American lead world financial policy. Yes the politicians actively promoted the building and when they realized there was a bubble they did not do anything about it, but there would be no building if it was not for the cheap loans. Yes the Euro had a large part in the problem as well, but it was not singular in creating the problem and American interest rates had their part. Without low interest rates in the US, then there would be no ultra low interest rates in Europe.
    Right. The Americans are responsible for Spain. Check.
    And in the end, the problems of Europe would never have hit if it was not for the credit crunch which happened because of American banks and their idiotic 10 year greed feast.
    Yes, yes, of course. It's those darned Americans again!
    While far from all the problems are American related, the root cause of the problems often are, and Americans are still in denial that their financial miss-management over the last 10 to 20 years is the root cause of the financial troubles the planet is in now. Instead they actually blame Europeans and anyone else for their own troubles, which is rich to say the least.
    Right! Americans are the responsible for the ills of the planet. I think we know the drill by now.

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Who blamed their problems on the Americans?
    Hmmm. PeteEU??

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    Re: Catalonia vote: Early exit polls show region may be on road to independence

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    Yes, yes, I know. The problems begin with the Americans. It has been that way for well over a century now. Meanwhile other areas of the world are doing quite well. Do the Americans get credit for that? Europe, by now, should be able to chart their own destiny but are still relaint onm the Americans. What a pitiful lot.
    Seriously do you even understand how the world works... if America sneezes the rest of the planet get a cold. If America farts the rest of the world gets diarrea. It has been like that since WW2 and this economic crisis is no different. How about just admitting that the world financial crisis that started in 2007-8 was started and driven by the failing of American banks?

    Right. The Americans are responsible for Greece. Got it.
    Solely no, partly yes. How about you just admit that helping a drug addict not only conceal his addiction but also provide the drugs is colluding with his or her crimes?

    Right. The Americans are responsible for Spain. Check.
    Solely no and stop being so pigheaded. American's started the credit crisis and promoted the cheap credit that fueled that Spanish building boom. Should the Spanish politicians have stopped it before it became such a big problem, yes, but they were only following the great American dream not to mention free market principles... look where that got them.

    Yes, yes, of course. It's those darned Americans again!
    So are you denying that the credit crunch was not started by American banks collapsing?

    Right! Americans are the responsible for the ills of the planet. I think we know the drill by now.
    No, but they are responsible for some and it is time you admit that. Your blind faith and defense of American economic policy the last 30+ years is pathetic, when any person with even minor economic education can see the reality of the situation.

    The US may not be the sole country responsible for the crisis in Europe or even the major part of the responsbility, but it is surely at least partly responsible and as long as people like you cant even admit that, then we will continue this "us vs them" fight over and over again. I and most Europeans are fully aware of our own self made problems, but we are also aware that some of those problems would not have happened if we had not followed the American lead economic theories of lazzie-faire economic policies.
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