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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I believe some Reps are acknowledging the reality of the situation.


    I wonder if this is the beginning of Norquist experiencing a McCarthyism-like downfall?
    It's a helluva pinch for the GOP. They lost badly in an election they should've made gains in so they are trying to adapt to gain more votes, meanwhile Norquist is holding the financial status quo for the GOP and is trying to force them NOT to change one bit. It'll be interesting to see who wins.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    It's a helluva pinch for the GOP. They lost badly in an election they should've made gains in so they are trying to adapt to gain more votes, meanwhile Norquist is holding the financial status quo for the GOP and is trying to force them NOT to change one bit. It'll be interesting to see who wins.
    According to tonight's network news, about 1/3 of the new Reps have refused to sign the pledge. I say "good for them". I don't want a representative who is backed into a corner to such a degree that they cannot make the hard choices that are sometimes needed.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    According to tonight's network news, about 1/3 of the new Reps have refused to sign the pledge. I say "good for them". I don't want a representative who is backed into a corner to such a degree that they cannot make the hard choices that are sometimes needed.
    Okay... so here's the connection in my conspiracy about Norquist... His group is "Americans for Tax Reform" which is tied to ALEC... It's a HUGE Koch brothers front with loads of other corporate heads donating to it. Also found this:


    Affiliations: Americans for Tax Reform Foundation is the education and research arm of ATR. ATR is a member of the State Policy Network and of townhall.com, a right-wing Internet portal founded by the Heritage Foundation.


    The more one looks into the right-wing echo chamber, the more it leads back to the same folks each time.


    In 2007, Heritage reported an operating revenue of $75.0 million dollars. As of February 2011, Heritage reported 710,000 supporters.[42] Heritage Foundation is also a part of the Koch Foundation Associate Program.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    We're bankrupting our children's futures. They will be enslaved to debt. Your parents didn't do that to you, but Obama and the people who voted for him are doing that to our kids now. It's shameful and immoral.

    Obama is running yearly deficits of more than a trillion dollars. All this class warfare garbage is nothing more than a strawman. The Federal Government spends nearly 10 billion dollars a day. It's not sustainable. Instead of talking about Entitlement and Spending Reform, the argument is we tax the hell out of the goose that is laying the golden egg because it's not fair that the goose exists in the first place. The golden goose is evil because Obama said it was evil, pretends he cares, and that he is going to give you something for free. It's the oldest con in the book. Meanwhile George Kaiser counts his millions and gets richer, as the companies headed by all of Obama's cronies dodge taxes (GE) or are legislated monopolies by Big Government.

    Obama is spending 5.60$ for every 1 dollar of real gdp wealth generated in the private economy. His solution? Tax the people generated that 1 dollar of Real GDP Wealth even more. The Atheist Socialists who currently control Pop Culture, The Media, and the WH have people emotionally chasing Big Bird and Binders for Women while they rob you and your children blind.

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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats pretty much it. This country doesn't have a revenue problem, the wealthy (both individuals and corporations) shoulder the lion share of federal contributions. We have a spending problem.

    Frankly, I like the compromise floating around. Tax rates will return to the Clinton era as a long as spending does the same. Is that a "balanced approach?"
    First off, corporations are playing a diminishing role in paying US income taxes. The notion that corporations pay the tax freight, while a romantic fantasy, is just wrong.

    Sources of tax revenue.jpg

    We should be lowering the tax rates but drastically eliminating loopholes, particularly cracking down on transfer pricing, which allows companies to off-shore profits through creative cost and revenue allocation schemes.

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    But I am with you on returning to Clinton spending.... what a cool idea!

    Let's see... in 2000, the last year of the balanced budget, on-budget expenditures (not including social security) were $1.48T. But, that was 12 years ago, and we are looking at the 2013 budget, so call it 13 years.... so, if we adjust that at the rate of 3% per annum to conservatively account for inflation and the growth in US population, then that Clinton number would be $2.15T. The actual expenditures for 2011 (not including SS) were $3.10T, so we are looking at cutting $1T of expenditure.

    Historical Tables | The White House (see Table 1.1)

    Let's see, if we start at the largest discretionary item.... that would be the military. We spent $354B on the military in 2000. Using our inflation formula above, well that would translate to $520B in 2013..... but wait, we actually spent $711B in 2011.... so we have quickly come up with $200B in cuts or solved 20% of the problem... with $800B to go.... wait, our tax cuts only changing the highest marginal rate is worth $80B... throw in a tax on interest and dividends over $100K and you have another $80B and suddenly we have solved 36% of the problem without too much sweat. Now that we are this far in, finding another $360B out of entitlement restructuring, though painful, is likely doable, and then your deficit is down to very manageable levels that can be cured by economic growth (and a more efficient corporate tax system that actually collects income taxes from corporations)...

    Of course, if my growth estimate is actually too conservative and the number should be 4%, then target expenditures would be $2.425T and we would have to cut $600B out of the budget to balance it... and defense could only be cut by $100T of that, leaving $500B to figure out (of which our tax changes would solve a large part of the problem).

    BTW... the current on-budget tax receipts estimate for 2013 (not including payroll taxes) is $2.3T...
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I believe some Reps are acknowledging the reality of the situation.
    This specific situation just give him the benefit of looking good and "doing the right thing" even though that really isn't his prerogative.
    I've seen this guy function for years.

    He's just an opportunist, imo.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    That seems to be the norm in DC.
    You know there are over 600k of us here, and around 6 million in the metro area, and this guy isn't even from here, he is from Georgia. If you want to accurate, you probably should just say politicians, after all I am sure plenty of scumbags are in Austin, Burlington, Richmond, etc.

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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This specific situation just give him the benefit of looking good and "doing the right thing" even though that really isn't his prerogative.
    I've seen this guy function for years.

    He's just an opportunist, imo.
    My comment is more general, and I will defer to you regarding this specific person. I am not familiar with Chambliss. I have no problem believing some (many?) politicians are opportunists.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    This specific situation just give him the benefit of looking good and "doing the right thing" even though that really isn't his prerogative.
    I've seen this guy function for years.

    He's just an opportunist, imo.
    Norquist is just another scumbag lobbyist, and all lobbyists are worthless influence buyers.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    First off, corporations are playing a diminishing role in paying US income taxes. The notion that corporations pay the tax freight, while a romantic fantasy, is just wrong.
    You do realize that corporations or at least employers pay 50% of the payroll tax, right?

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