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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats pretty much it. This country doesn't have a revenue problem, the wealthy (both individuals and corporations) shoulder the lion share of federal contributions. We have a spending problem.

    Frankly, I like the compromise floating around. Tax rates will return to the Clinton era as a long as spending does the same. Is that a "balanced approach?"
    Yes. Clinton was the last administration to nearly achieve federal budget balance, federal taxation at 18% of GDP and federal spending at 19% of GDP. Obama (like Bush) had federal taxation at 17% of GDP and federal spending at 24% of GDP (Bush spending averaged 20% of GDP). However, the Obama "balanced approach" seems to be federal taxation of 18% of GDP and federal spending at 22% (or more) of GDP, still depending on huge (nearly $1 trillion) annual federal deficits.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Democrats should be careful what they wish for. A republican cave on increasing taxes puts the burden squarley on the shoulders of democrats to come up with real reductions in spending. Thats not going to happen. So what we will get is about $6 billion in new revenues each month which would have effectively reduced last months deficit from $120 billion to about $114 billion. OK libs, now what?
    It's a first step, it's good to see some people starting to move to the middle and be focused on a solution rather than blame.

    I don't know if you think it's OK to go over the cliff since it's "libs' fault" but that's a very counter-productive attitude. Chambliss has decided to take a constructive attitude. I hope that others on both sides join him.


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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's a first step, it's good to see some people starting to move to the middle and be focused on a solution rather than blame.

    I don't know if you think it's OK to go over the cliff since it's "libs' fault" but that's a very counter-productive attitude. Chambliss has decided to take a constructive attitude. I hope that others on both sides join him.
    I think it is a distraction. The real issue is entitlements and you dont hear a word about them. The truth is, there needs to be tax increases. Everyone knows that Medicare is in trouble, so how do you fix that? Raise the Medicare withholding on everyone to a level that makes the program solvent. It is not that hard and it is really a self-evident solution to an obvious problem. But no one has suggested such a thing. If people want Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security, everyone needs to be prepared to fund them. Everyone. Any suggestion that raising taxes by a few % on the rich will have any impact whatsoever on our fiscal problems is kidding themselves.

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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, I know about Saxby.
    And what I know about him, is that he's a douche, regardless of what he say's or supposedly supports.

    He just wants to keep his seat, by any means necessary.
    To me, he's a turd.
    If he was only concerned with keeping his seat I would think the last thing he would want to do is cross Norquist and possibly provoke a Tea Party primary challenge.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Maybe a lot of the imported Obama supporters that really, really care about the United States were imported into his district. This would cause his original base to move out and so Mr. Chambliss has to go through an evolution in thinking. He would have to shift from an adult balanced budget philosophy to an infantile Santa Claus philosophy.

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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Maybe a lot of the imported Obama supporters that really, really care about the United States were imported into his district. This would cause his original base to move out and so Mr. Chambliss has to go through an evolution in thinking. He would have to shift from an adult balanced budget philosophy to an infantile Santa Claus philosophy.
    Chambliss is a Sentaor, so his district is the entire state. Since it's a red state and has been for some time, apparently these illegal Mexicans didn't do their job and vote for Obama.

    Fail level: EPIC.


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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    If he was only concerned with keeping his seat I would think the last thing he would want to do is cross Norquist and possibly provoke a Tea Party primary challenge.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Chambliss is a Sentaor, so his district is the entire state. Since it's a red state and has been for some time, apparently these illegal Mexicans didn't do their job and vote for Obama.

    Fail level: EPIC.
    Right. He must feel pretty secure in his continued position.

    That, or he plans on retiring at the end of his current/next term and just hasn't announced it yet.

    There is the third possibility that maybe, just maybe, he honestly does believe that it is time to do something different for the good of the country overall, but I'll be honest and say that my own cynicism* puts that possibility way behind the other two.

    *- Cynicism about politicians at this level, in general. I openly admit I am not familiar with this guy specifically.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    If he was only concerned with keeping his seat I would think the last thing he would want to do is cross Norquist and possibly provoke a Tea Party primary challenge.
    Georgia isn't as hard core red as you think.
    Not only that but the fiscal cliff going ahead, would piss a ton of his voters off.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    And Grover the Jackass Norquist has laid down the gauntlet on all these Repubs going against him...


    Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    Anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said Monday that his group, Americans for Tax Reform, would work to unseat Republicans who break their pledge to never vote for higher taxes.

    His vow came after prominent GOP lawmakers said over the weekend they would consider breaking the Taxpayer Protection Pledge in order to reach a deal with Democrats and President Barack Obama to avoid tumbling over the fiscal cliff – the combination of sweeping spending cuts and tax increases that would go into effect at the end of the year if negotiators can't reach a deal on reducing the federal debt.
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    Re: Saxby Chambliss: 'I Care A Lot More About' America Than About Grover Norquist

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Georgia isn't as hard core red as you think.
    Not only that but the fiscal cliff going ahead, would piss a ton of his voters off.
    I believe some Reps are acknowledging the reality of the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And Grover the Jackass Norquist has laid down the gauntlet on all these Repubs going against him...

    Norquist says he'll go after pledge-breakers

    Anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said Monday that his group, Americans for Tax Reform, would work to unseat Republicans who break their pledge to never vote for higher taxes.

    His vow came after prominent GOP lawmakers said over the weekend they would consider breaking the Taxpayer Protection Pledge in order to reach a deal with Democrats and President Barack Obama to avoid tumbling over the fiscal cliff – the combination of sweeping spending cuts and tax increases that would go into effect at the end of the year if negotiators can't reach a deal on reducing the federal debt.
    I wonder if this is the beginning of Norquist experiencing a McCarthyism-like downfall?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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