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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

Do you think it is possible that, if these chips become common in all schools, the "chip" can move to more aspects of life, like all employment?

no because ALL employment would violate rights
 
Too lazy to look through this thread, but I'm curious, is anyone here actually in favor of this tracking system?
Nobody has demonstrated that it is a tracking system at all. The news reports make a big thing about there being RFID chips in the cards but, out on incompetence, laziness or intentional misinformation, completely fail to even hint at how the school is and/or intends to actually make use of them.

I am in favour of schools registering that students are actually attending classes and not skipping class to smoke behind the bike sheds or go off to the arcade down the road. I'm also in favour of schools having an accurate list of exactly who is in the school at a given time, vital in the event of emergencies like fires.

There are various technological solutions that can make these things easier, more efficient and more accurate so I see absolutely no reason why a school shouldn't invests in using them. Some of those solutions could involve student ID cards with RFID chips in them but there is a wide variety in how they could be implemented. Some I'd see absolutely no problem with, others would raise legitimate concerns.

If people which to discuss and debate those actual solutions and any concerns they may raise, either in the context of information about exactly what is implemented as the school in question or on wider principals, that sounds perfectly reasonable. There seems to be lots of people who want to (and want to inspire others) to run around like headless chickens panicking about the government tracking people in their homes which is at the very best a tangent to this thread which needs a whole load more substance to turn it in to it's own rational discussion.
 
Nobody has demonstrated that it is a tracking system at all. The news reports make a big thing about there being RFID chips in the cards but, out on incompetence, laziness or intentional misinformation, completely fail to even hint at how the school is and/or intends to actually make use of them.

I am in favour of schools registering that students are actually attending classes and not skipping class to smoke behind the bike sheds or go off to the arcade down the road. I'm also in favour of schools having an accurate list of exactly who is in the school at a given time, vital in the event of emergencies like fires.

There are various technological solutions that can make these things easier, more efficient and more accurate so I see absolutely no reason why a school shouldn't invests in using them. Some of those solutions could involve student ID cards with RFID chips in them but there is a wide variety in how they could be implemented. Some I'd see absolutely no problem with, others would raise legitimate concerns.

If people which to discuss and debate those actual solutions and any concerns they may raise, either in the context of information about exactly what is implemented as the school in question or on wider principals, that sounds perfectly reasonable. There seems to be lots of people who want to (and want to inspire others) to run around like headless chickens panicking about the government tracking people in their homes which is at the very best a tangent to this thread which needs a whole load more substance to turn it in to it's own rational discussion.

I don't think that total knowledge of one's whereabouts is ever going to truly happen and that in the implementation of achieving such, we're going to reap some very negative consequences. The 4th amendment has been one of the greatest victims of technology and this here is just another example in that long history. It's rather unnecessary, I can't imagine the cost (in an already broken system), it's far too aggressive and demeaning.
 
If we want to go down the slippery slope, we can argue anything leads to anything.

aliens have technology that can link to these chips and cause small atomic explosions so this will only lead to the mass destruction of our kids when they evade!!!!
 
UPDATE: Texas school can force teenagers to wear locator chip: judge - Yahoo! News

judge ruled

SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - A public school district in Texas can require students to wear locator chips when they are on school property, a federal judge ruled on Tuesday in a case raising technology-driven privacy concerns among liberal and conservative groups alike.

U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia said the San Antonio Northside School District had the right to expel sophomore Andrea Hernandez, 15, from a magnet school at Jay High School, because she refused to wear the device, which is required of all students.

The judge refused the student's request to block the district from removing her from the school while the case works its way through the federal courts.

no rights violated
 
why is it a bad idea for the school to use technology to know where each of its students is located on campus during school hours?
Why would it be a bad idea for anybody at any time? There's a whole slew of possible scenarios where it could come in handy for a person of any age.
 
Why would it be a bad idea for anybody at any time? There's a whole slew of possible scenarios where it could come in handy for a person of any age.

many employers do. The reason the govt can't usually engage in such behavior is because you can't really shop around for a govt as you can an employer.

They basically, out of necesity, operate a monopoly on govt
 
while I agree with the courts here, the mere decision by them doesn't establish a ruling as "correct". In fact, the supreme court has made numerous decisions in the past that any modern reader would see as violating the rights of another. Not to mention, the decision can still be appealed

I agree in history there has been wrong rulings later overturned in various ways

in this case not only do i agree with the court and cant see any possible reasons at all for this to be wrong, not one, do you have one becuase id gladly listen.

School property only on school hours, nothing like that violates "rights" people may not like it but that alone donest violate rights.
 
many employers do. The reason the govt can't usually engage in such behavior is because you can't really shop around for a govt as you can an employer.

They basically, out of necesity, operate a monopoly on govt
I was being facetious in my question. Personally, I see no difference between government and private business in matters such as this. It's either a good idea for literally everybody... including the person I was responding to... or it's not.
 
She has the choice to wear the mark of the beast at school (which was her original objection) or change schools. (if she can find one to take her.) I'm still trying to come to terms with having seen this outcome of this case reported on British TV last night
 
I agree in history there has been wrong rulings later overturned in various ways

in this case not only do i agree with the court and cant see any possible reasons at all for this to be wrong, not one, do you have one becuase id gladly listen.

School property only on school hours, nothing like that violates "rights" people may not like it but that alone donest violate rights.

As I said in my above post, I agree with the decision. Just pointing out that courts are not some infallable body here
 
As I said in my above post, I agree with the decision. Just pointing out that courts are not some infallable body here

and as i said above, i agree with you. then i went on to say, logically i see zero reasons to think they made a mistake here :shrug:
 
She should take to wearing clothing with a high metallic content. Get enough of her fellow students doing that and the issue will settle itself.

Also, jammers, though illegal, are available and can be hidden around the campus (good luck finding them). That's how I would have reacted at that age. :mrgreen:

Oh and I forgot, magnetics are her friend. Fridge magnets on every reader.
 
This is ridiculous. Do people forget that high school is not required? Students can drop out any time they please. Why are adults so obsessed with tracking kids every move when they are all there voluntarily? It's not a prison, it's school. Give the kids some damn responsibility, let them manage themselves and they might just turn into competent adults.
 
This is ridiculous. Do people forget that high school is not required? Students can drop out any time they please. Why are adults so obsessed with tracking kids every move when they are all there voluntarily? It's not a prison, it's school. Give the kids some damn responsibility, let them manage themselves and they might just turn into competent adults.

In most state law that I'm aware of you must be sixteen to exercise that option, and even then it is with parental or guardian permission.
 
This is ridiculous. Do people forget that high school is not required? Students can drop out any time they please. Why are adults so obsessed with tracking kids every move when they are all there voluntarily? It's not a prison, it's school. Give the kids some damn responsibility, let them manage themselves and they might just turn into competent adults.

Aren't these the same kids your side of the aisle want to protect by taking the gun rights away from responsible adults?
 
This is ridiculous. Do people forget that high school is not required? Students can drop out any time they please. Why are adults so obsessed with tracking kids every move when they are all there voluntarily? It's not a prison, it's school. Give the kids some damn responsibility, let them manage themselves and they might just turn into competent adults.
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and they can drop out of this school if they refuse to abide by its rules
isn't following the rules acting responsibly
 
and as i said above, i agree with you. then i went on to say, logically i see zero reasons to think they made a mistake here :shrug:

neither can I, tbh
 
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and they can drop out of this school if they refuse to abide by its rules
isn't following the rules acting responsibly


not to mention, kids do stupid **** and cause trouble.
 
That is Bull****. Regardless, microwave time!

That is one action they can take and they are free to feel that way and every kid that does this could be dealt with accordingly, typical most schools can expel you for purposely damaging school property :shrug:
 
That is one action they can take and they are free to feel that way and every kid that does this could be dealt with accordingly, typical most schools can expel you for purposely damaging school property :shrug:

And I hope many kids do this and get caught. Then perhaps people will get the point that tracking people like this is a violation of their rights.

Though I said something similar about GPS chips not that long ago and people decided to instead fall in love with them. :doh
 
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and they can drop out of this school if they refuse to abide by its rules
isn't following the rules acting responsibly

Sometimes the right and best course of action is not following the rules.
 
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