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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

Ikari said:
You certainly impose no limitations. Any new tech seems to be OK by you. But if the government has not the power, it may not use a force; even if it's new tech. You argue for near unlimited powers. LMAO
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nope just more things you are making up and are falsely assuming with no logic to support it at all. sorry wrong again
 
Objective-J said:
nope just more things you are making up and are falsely assuming with no logic to support it at all. sorry wrong again
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Just more deflection and no substance, falsely assuming with no logic to support it at all. Sorry wrong again.
 
Seems like an infringement on rights, but I can see the positives. At least the kid can transfer to a school where she doesn't have to do anything "against her religion."
 
Ikari said:
1.)lol So you're saying that schools have long been using RFID. Interesting.



2.)That's true of a lot of places, even in public. Yet you're drawing an invisible line and using the same failed argument. And just because the schools have privilege of monitoring doesn't mean that's unlimited. You argue that they have right to monitor and that may be expanded at whim.



3.)Usually not actually



4.)It is indeed assumption on your part as you assume new tech proper confines of government force. The government must first ask and obtain permission and demonstrate that it is not infringing upon the rights and liberties of anyone.



5.)Like I said, government has privilege to monitor, but it is not unlimited. Until you can change this fact, you have nothing. LMAO
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1.) nope wrong again im saying this new power you speak of is already being down in other ways and your opinion of new power is meanignless LOL
2.) again with the unlimited lie you keep pushing, sorry nobody honest buys it, try again. The line isnt invisible its the same.
3.) again facts are on my side and you have nothing
4.) no the school does not, like i said its school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing and this is monitoring that isnt any different

5.) nobody here said its unlimited, keep saying this it meaningless. fact stands no rights or freedoms have been lost adding this tag system.
all you have is nu-huh, i said so, and failed examples that have nothign to do with anything being discussed here, its quite amusing.

Ive had the same question for pages and you have nothing to go against it, just double and circle talk

I repeat its school property and they have every right to monitor who is on it, until you can change this fact you have nothing.

keep trying though its funny
 
Sonic said:
Seems like an infringement on rights, but I can see the positives. At least the kid can transfer to a school where she doesn't have to do anything "against her religion."
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It's a bit more than religion, it's right to secure one's self, property, and papers against unreasonable search and seizure as well. As technology grows and allows for more and more passive and aggressive forms of search, recording, and databasing, we have to be very careful in what government is allowed to wield and what the citizens must be subjected to. On school grounds, this is simply not necessary.
 
Objective-J said:
except i have facts on my sides :shrug: lol
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LMAO, if by facts you mean that you deflect away from your arguments because of the natural conclusions they would bear, sure. But if you mean anything to back up what you've claimed, no, as you are not logically consistent in the application of conclusion.
 
Ikari said:
Just more deflection and no substance, falsely assuming with no logic to support it at all. Sorry wrong again.
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translation: you cant support it so you are trying to deflect.

Please by all means if you disagree bring FACTUAL prove to the table about the subject at hand.

Ive presented facts that reality directly to the topic at hand what have you presented? Nothing LOL
 
Objective-J said:
translation: you cant support it so you are trying to deflect.

Please by all means if you disagree bring FACTUAL prove to the table about the subject at hand.

Ive presented facts that reality directly to the topic at hand what have you presented? Nothing LOL
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You presented no facts. Your argument is that kids in school can't go everywhere; hence this expansion of power and force is warranted (this is an unrestricted argument), is not factual nor do you hold it to its logical conclusions. Rather you deflect away when the flaws and inconsistencies are pointed out.
 
Ikari said:
LMAO, if by facts you mean that you deflect away from your arguments because of the natural conclusions they would bear, sure. But if you mean anything to back up what you've claimed, no, as you are not logically consistent in the application of conclusion.
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Does a kid have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Do i have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Does the school have the right to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? yes you havent changed any of these facts

these are facts that support me by all means try to argue against them :D
 
Ikari said:
It's a bit more than religion, it's right to secure one's self, property, and papers against unreasonable search and seizure as well. As technology grows and allows for more and more passive and aggressive forms of search, recording, and databasing, we have to be very careful in what government is allowed to wield and what the citizens must be subjected to. On school grounds, this is simply not necessary.
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I skimmed the article and I read her reason was because it was against her religion, I may be wrong about that though.

I agree with all that you say. I'm happy that it's at the school and not anywhere else. A school can justify it because they think that they need to keep track of where the students are. At least the students appear to be able to somewhat opt out of it by switching schools, although that seems like quite a hassle.
 
Ikari said:
You presented no facts. Your argument is that kids in school can't go everywhere; hence this expansion of power and force is warranted (this is an unrestricted argument), is not factual nor do you hold it to its logical conclusions. Rather you deflect away when the flaws and inconsistencies are pointed out.
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now you are just telling bold face lies LOL
please stop lying and just making things up that i never said LOL its funny watching me say "A" and then you say "well nu-huh cause A really means B,C,D,E,F so there" LMAO
nope, ive only said "A" the nonsense that you are repeating is meaningless to what i actually stated and the facts

Does a kid have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Do i have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Does the school have the right to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? yes you havent changed any of these facts

these are facts that support me by all means try to argue against them :D
 
Objective-J said:
Does a kid have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
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No they cannot. But that is true of many situations, as has been pointed out to you on several occasions. In public can you go anywhere you want at any time you want? No. Ergo.....

Objective-J said:
Do i have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
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See above

Objective-J said:
Does the school have the right to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? yes you havent changed any of these facts
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Private school, yes. Public school, no. Government cannot hold rights, so it only has privilege. They have privilege granted by The People to police the property on behalf of the People. This does not give unrestricted license to growth of power and aggression. The same entity that owns the property of public schools owns public property in general; yet you break your arguments at this point to try to pretend it's different. This is the first place you engage in dishonesty, but it certainly hasn't been the last.

Objective-J said:
these are facts that support me by all means try to argue against them :D
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Done and done. You merely deflect away and ignore argument however. So I don't know how much good it would actually do to point out your errors.
 
Objective-J said:
now you are just telling bold face lies LOL
please stop lying and just making things up that i never said LOL its funny watching me say "A" and then you say "well nu-huh cause A really means B,C,D,E,F so there" LMAO
nope, ive only said "A" the nonsense that you are repeating is meaningless to what i actually stated and the facts

Does a kid have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Do i have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Does the school have the right to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? yes you havent changed any of these facts

these are facts that support me by all means try to argue against them :D
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If you're going to accuse me of lying, don't prove me correct in your next paragraph. LMAO.
 
Sonic said:
I skimmed the article and I read her reason was because it was against her religion, I may be wrong about that though.
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You are correct, that was her contention. I am expanding though and would say that in general this is a 4th amendment concern.
 
Ikari said:
1.)no they cannot. But that is true of many situations, as has been pointed out to you on several occasions. In public can you go anywhere you want at any time you want? No. Ergo.....



2.)See above



3.)Private school, yes. Public school, no. Government cannot hold rights, so it only has privilege. They have privilege granted by The People to police the property on behalf of the People. This does not give unrestricted license to growth of power and aggression. The same entity that owns the property of public schools owns public property in general; yet you break your arguments at this point to try to pretend it's different. This is the first place you engage in dishonesty, but it certainly hasn't been the last.



4.)Done and done. You merely deflect away and ignore argument however. So I don't know how much good it would actually do to point out your errors.
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1.) thanks for admitting this FACT, the rest is meaningless because nobody is discussing "other" situations LMAO its MEANINGLESS, its legal to kill in OTHERE situations ergo? your point is meaningless LMAO
2.) yes see above its is also a FACT :D
3.) this is 100% FALSE the school private or public most definitely has the to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? thats a fact hence the above questions you already admitted they were fact LMAO no matter how much you cry about this fact it wont change. LOL
4.) you did nothing FACTUAL but mutter nonsense while the fact still support me :)

I love it keep going, keep telling me how the school has no right to know who is there, where and when.

I think ill just find a school and hang out there tomorrow and when asked by staff ill say its none of their business, if a security guard doesnt subdue me when the police get their ill tell him the school has no right to know what im doing there because Ikari said so LMAO

again let me know when you have anything factual LOL
 
Ikari said:
If you're going to accuse me of lying, don't prove me correct in your next paragraph. LMAO.
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you in fact lied :shrug:

Does a kid have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Do i have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Does the school have the right to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? yes you havent changed any of these facts

these are facts that support me by all means try to argue against them
 
Objective-J said:
1.) thanks for admitting this FACT, the rest is meaningless because nobody is discussing "other" situations LMAO its MEANINGLESS, its legal to kill in OTHERE situations ergo? your point is meaningless LMAO
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LMAO, this is how dishonest you are. You take something and throw out the argument because you don't want to hear it. You claim other people are dishonest, but you dismiss absolutely everything and then say "can you show me blah blah blah". Nothing I said was NOT factual. It is all correct. The fact of the matter is that your debate is so weak all you can say is "it's utter nonsense" deflection tripe so that you don't have to deal with anything. You make an unrestricted argument, not me. You lie about my arguments, you dismiss, and you pretend you won.

I never said you wouldn't be subdued or that you could go anywhere, in fact I said you couldn't. But that being as it is, doesn't mean the school can do whatever they want to police against it. So if you ever decide to stop lying, stop using intellectual dishonesty in your arguments, come back and debate like a grown up. Till then, what you posted is deflectionary tripe built on your inability to defend your position.
 
Objective-J said:
you in fact lied :shrug:
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Prove it. I did not lie. I said your argument was "Your argument is that kids in school can't go everywhere; hence this expansion of power and force is warranted (this is an unrestricted argument)" which you call a lie and then you state:

Objective-J said:
Does a kid have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Do i have the right to go anywhere in the school they want at any time they want? no
Does the school have the right to know who is on there property and where they are at all times? yes you havent changed any of these facts

these are facts that support me by all means try to argue against them
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Which is exactly as I stated, hence you proving me right. You made an unrestricted argument built upon some preconceived conviction of total control by State. I've dismantled your argument already. I've taken them to the logical conclusions and shown the break down. The only thing you can do is call it absurd and try to move on. But your dishonesty is catching up to you and you cannot deflect forever. Sorry Charlie.
 
Ikari said:
1.)Prove it. I did not lie. I said your argument was "Your argument is that kids in school can't go everywhere; hence this expansion of power and force is warranted (this is an unrestricted argument)" which you call a lie and then you state:



2.)Which is exactly as I stated, hence you proving me right. You made an unrestricted argument built upon some preconceived conviction of total control by State. I've dismantled your argument already. I've taken them to the logical conclusions and shown the break down. The only thing you can do is call it absurd and try to move on. But your dishonesty is catching up to you and you cannot deflect forever. Sorry Charlie.
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1.)you said i present NO facts, thats a proven lie LOL
2.) wrong again this is what you TRY to make my statements and you TRY to make the facts into but they simply are not. You MAKE things up and try to TURN them into something you can "dismantle" but the the fact is you are making arguments up that done exist compared to what is actually being said and what the actual facts are. LOL

at the end of the day the tags do not infringe on freedom or rights and the school has the right to know who is on their property and where.

NOTHING you say changes that statement unless of course you continue to make stuff up and add stuff that nobody said. LMAO its halarious wathcing you say things nobody did.

"unlimited power" "total control state" :lamo

its nonsens ill stick with fact you can keep repeating fantasy if you want.

again at the end of the day the tags in the manner they are used do not infringe on freedom or rights and the school has the right to know who is on their property and where. :shrug: make 50 more posts this fact will not change :)
 
Ikari said:
LMAO, this is how dishonest you are. You take something and throw out the argument because you don't want to hear it. You claim other people are dishonest, but you dismiss absolutely everything and then say "can you show me blah blah blah". Nothing I said was NOT factual. It is all correct. The fact of the matter is that your debate is so weak all you can say is "it's utter nonsense" deflection tripe so that you don't have to deal with anything. You make an unrestricted argument, not me. You lie about my arguments, you dismiss, and you pretend you won.

I never said you wouldn't be subdued or that you could go anywhere, in fact I said you couldn't. But that being as it is, doesn't mean the school can do whatever they want to police against it. So if you ever decide to stop lying, stop using intellectual dishonesty in your arguments, come back and debate like a grown up. Till then, what you posted is deflectionary tripe built on your inability to defend your position.
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again at the end of the day the tags in the manner they are used do not infringe on freedom or rights and the school has the right to know who is on their property and where. :shrug: make 50 more posts this fact will not change :)
this is the only fact needed to support my statement and one you can not prove wrong :)
this isnt about "winning" lmao its about facts and facts prove you wrong and my statement true ;)
 
Objective-J said:
1.)you said i present NO facts, thats a proven lie LOL
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Your argument is not factual. It is based in the assumption of unlimited response by government. It's been shown. All you can do is deflect. And the more you deflect, the more you prove me right. So keep posting cause all you're doing is showing how right I am.
 
Ikari said:
Your argument is not factual. It is based in the assumption of unlimited response by government. It's been shown. All you can do is deflect. And the more you deflect, the more you prove me right. So keep posting cause all you're doing is showing how right I am.
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you are lying again just like you lied before. its not an argument.

again at the end of the day the tags in the manner they are used do not infringe on freedom or rights and the school has the right to know who is on their property and where. make 50 more posts this fact will not change :)
 
Objective-J said:
again at the end of the day the tags in the manner they are used do not infringe on freedom or rights and the school has the right to know who is on their property and where. :shrug: make 50 more posts this fact will not change :)
this is the only fact needed to support my statement and one you can not prove wrong :)
this isnt about "winning" lmao its about facts and facts prove you wrong and my statement true ;)
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Government possesses no rights, rights are held only by the individual. But regardless, even given the privilege to police a property, what they can do is limited. You've presented no fact beyond maybe all of our movements are on some level restricted (it's not limited to school, but you seem to not want to consider that). Everything else is supposition, dishonesty, and deflection.
 
Ikari said:
Government possesses no rights, rights are held only by the individual. But regardless, even given the privilege to police a property, what they can do is limited. You've presented no fact beyond maybe all of our movements are on some level restricted (it's not limited to school, but you seem to not want to consider that). Everything else is supposition, dishonesty, and deflection.
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again at the end of the day the tags in the manner they are used do not infringe on freedom or rights and the school has the right to know who is on their property and where. make 50 more posts this fact will not change :)
 
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