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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

Bodhisattva said:
They are entitled to as much privacy as we deem appropriate. They are children and under our care. Surely parents understand this concept?
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That is a rather disturbing concept. I try my best to allow my children as much privacy as I can while still acting to keep them safe. Small children demand more care and so less privacy, but older children you can permit to have a great deal of privacy. I guess what I saying is I weigh it on what is needed, not by what I'm willing to give.

They can expect there bags or their clothing not to be randomly searched but location is far different.
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How is location different? As I said watching children is not tracking them. There is a great deal of difference in fact.

You babysit? WTF?
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Lol, no.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I have a dreadful feeling it's serious. There's a deeply distrustful paranoid streak running through the American right that goes much further than simple dislike of "big government". The "Mark of the Beast!" nonsense is the icing on the fruitcake.
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This from a man whose citizens are the most spied on people in the world.
Britain: the most spied on nation in the world - Telegraph

What next, are you going to tell Americans that they should have nothing to fear from anti-2nd amendment politicians?
 
Henrin said:
That is a rather disturbing concept. I try my best to allow my children as much privacy as I can while still acting to keep them safe. Small children demand more care and so less privacy, but older children you can permit to have a great deal of privacy. I guess what I saying is I weigh it on what is needed, not by what I'm willing to give.
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That is why I said "as much privacy as we deem appropriate". ;)

How is location different? As I said watching children is not tracking them. There is a great deal of difference in fact.
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Location at school is important. Knowing where students are and what they are doing is very important.

Lol, no.
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Whew!
 
Objective-J said:
oooh that explains it better, bet that was pretty damn challenging
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It was ridiculous. The first two weeks I had to block the door in order to stop drug exchanges/deals. While that was happening they were throwing dice in the back. Eventually I got all that calmed down and started some teaching. The principal actually walked in with some visitors and said, "this is great, look, Mr _______ is actually trying to teach". I couldn't believe it.

We had two kids murdered. Two hung themsleves. Three put into prison. One in a coma as he was nearly beaten to death. The place was a war zone. We had gang bangers assualt students on campus and once a car screached up and a bunch of thugs jumped out and beat the principals car to death with bricks and bats before SWAT was called in and we went into lock down. I was the only white person that I ever saw in the area and at times it was a little nerve racking. Eventually the "kids" liked me as I was in my early thirties and played basket ball with the at lunch. I took the elbows and never made a foul call. They respected that.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is why I said "as much privacy as we deem appropriate". ;)
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Perhaps what I said is what you meant, but that is not how it came out.

Location at school is important. Knowing where students are and what they are doing is very important.
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Yes, undoubtedly, but like I said there is a difference between watching(aka keeping an eye on them) and spying.

Whew!
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and just what is that supposed to mean? Do you think I have no experience with children? I have been around children my entire life either assisting my mother babysitting growing up or raising my own children. I think I know what it involves, thank you. Are you going to tell me how to educate my children next? That should be wonderful considering all my children could read and write before they started kindergarten.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It was ridiculous. The first two weeks I had to block the door in order to stop drug exchanges/deals. While that was happening they were throwing dice in the back. Eventually I got all that calmed down and started some teaching. The principal actually walked in with some visitors and said, "this is great, look, Mr _______ is actually trying to teach". I couldn't believe it.

We had two kids murdered. Two hung themsleves. Three put into prison. One in a coma as he was nearly beaten to death. The place was a war zone. We had gang bangers assualt students on campus and once a car screached up and a bunch of thugs jumped out and beat the principals car to death with bricks and bats before SWAT was called in and we went into lock down. I was the only white person that I ever saw in the area and at times it was a little nerve racking. Eventually the "kids" liked me as I was in my early thirties and played basket ball with the at lunch. I took the elbows and never made a foul call. They respected that.
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WOW thats crazy, good for you though!. Teaching is probably what i should have did but i didnt realize that till i started coaching then volunteering at the youth center.

Hard to imagine it was that out of control :(
 
Henrin said:
Perhaps what I said is what you meant, but that is not how it came out.



Yes, undoubtedly, but like I said there is a difference between watching(aka keeping an eye on them) and spying.



and just what is that supposed to mean? Do you think I have no experience with children? I have been around children my entire life either assisting my mother babysitting growing up or raising my own children. I think I know what it involves, thank you. Are you going to tell me how to educate my children next? That should be wonderful considering all my children could read and write before they started kindergarten.
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trackers arent spying they arent allowed to go where they please :shrug:
theres no rights violated here and no one has even come close to demonstrating that there is
 
Objective-J said:
trackers arent spying they arent allowed to go where they please :shrug:
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Trackers aren't spying? Just how is tracking your location with a device not spying on you?
 
Henrin said:
Trackers aren't spying? Just how is tracking your location with a device not spying on you?
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no more than teachers, guards, or any faculty watching where they are going now, its just more efficient.
The school has the right to know where the kids are at all times, so the use of the word spying seems silly.

because the fact is if you think the TAGS are "spying" they are already being spied on :shrug:

you ever gonna tell me what rights are being violated?
 
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Someone mentioned this earlier, the school is responsible for all their students during school hours. If you sneak off campus and get in a car accident, the school is financially responsible for you. So the school has every right to know where their students are. The same goes for jobs like McDonalds. If you are under 18, your job is responsible for you. If you leave work to eat somewhere else and something happens to you, your job is financially responsible.

The school shouldn't have to fork out lawsuit money because you decided you should skip out, but that is the way it works.
 
Objective-J said:
no more than teachers, guards, or any faculty watching where they are going now, its just more efficient.
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As I have said, there is a vast difference between someone walking around the campus and watching doors and someone having to carry something around with them to tell others exactly where they are. Its the same difference as a cop on the corner and a camera.

The school has the right to know where the kids are at all times, so the use of the word spying seems silly.
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It can be described as nothing else.

you ever gonna tell me what rights are being violated?
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Already did.
 
Green Balls said:
Someone mentioned this earlier, the school is responsible for all their students during school hours. If you sneak off campus and get in a car accident, the school is financially responsible for you. So the school has every right to know where their students are. The same goes for jobs like McDonalds. If you are under 18, your job is responsible for you. If you leave work to eat somewhere else and something happens to you, your job is financially responsible.

The school shouldn't have to fork out lawsuit money because you decided you should skip out, but that is the way it works.
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The tags only work on school grounds, obviously they can not stop you from leaving; simply drop your tag in the commode (or lend it to another student) and leave. The real deal is likely that school records often showed that Johnny was at school, while he was really comitting a crime and/or in jail. The article mentioned that funding issues were involved, perhaps those "issues" were that school attendence records were complete garbage, so rather than straighten out the highly paid attendence morons on the school staff, they added an expensive automated student tracking system instead.
 
Henrin said:
1,)As I have said, there is a vast difference between someone walking around the campus and watching doors and someone having to carry something around with them to tell others exactly where they are. Its the same difference as a cop on the corner and a camera.



It can be described as nothing else.



Already did.
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1.) thats your opinion but in reality there isnt a difference and faculity dont walk around and just "watch doors" lol the watch the kids. And its no where near the a cop and camera since we are talking students and school property.
2.) actually it can but the point is if you think the tags are spying they are already being spied on, i spy on my kids, coaches spy on thier players, i spied a plan in the air today. :shrug: theres no meaning to it really in the way you are using it.
3.) no you never did

so again we'll see if you can be honest.
1.)Do you think students are already being spied on now in schools where only faculty watches them?
2.)what rights are factually being violated?
 
Henrin said:
So that means they have no right to privacy?
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Yes.



Henrin said:
That is a rather odd question. Do you just walk into the bathroom when a child is in there? Unless they are young and need help I don't. You appear to be a strange man if you say yes to that question.
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You'd better know where they are, whether they are in the bathroom or somewhere else. Of course, you don't watch them go, but you do monitor how long they've been in there.
 
As a parent I want this program in my childrens schools. But I bet most of the people objecting do not have kids. Or they are in school themselves.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
As a parent I want this program in my childrens schools. But I bet most of the people objecting do not have kids. Or they are in school themselves.
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I have to say the more i talk about it and think about it id be all on board to as long as its an addition. That would be my only concern i would want all the things they already do to assure attendance and safety to still happen and this also be added.

Again maybe im biased because im a parent, i volunteer at a school, work with youth groups and these badges are already used at my work but I see no problem with it thats a major concern or con over the pros and it certainly doesn't violate any rights.
 
jamesrage said:
I hope the student wins.**** like this could be used to used to breed compliance with government and corporate monitoring of what we do.

Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker | Threat Level | Wired.com

A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.
Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave.
Radio-frequency identification devices are a daily part of the electronic age — found in passports, and library and payment cards. Eventually they’re expected to replace bar-code labels on consumer goods. Now schools across the nation are slowly adopting them as well.
The suspended student, sophomore Andrea Hernandez, was notified by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck, which she has been refusing to do. The district said the girl, who objects on privacy and religious grounds, beginning Monday would have to attend another high school in the district that does not yet employ the RFID tags.
The Rutherford Institute said it would go to court and try to nullify the district’s decision. The institute said that the district’s stated purpose for the program — to enhance their coffers — is “fundamentally disturbing.”
“There is something fundamentally disturbing about this school district’s insistence on steamrolling students into complying with programs that have nothing whatsoever to do with academic priorities and everything to do with fattening school coffers,” said John Whitehead, the institute’s president.
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Wow, not even the principals at my middle/high school is this desperate.

At my district, nobody needs to wear trackers so the administrators know where they are. All you need is a pass from your teacher. If you're caught someplace you're not supposed to be, that's up to you and the administration.
 
Objective-J said:
no more than teachers, guards, or any faculty watching where they are going now, its just more efficient.
The school has the right to know where the kids are at all times, so the use of the word spying seems silly.

because the fact is if you think the TAGS are "spying" they are already being spied on :shrug:

you ever gonna tell me what rights are being violated?
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True, but in my school, that's not going to happen.

The school administrators and teachers are not in the business of tracking where their students are. The school never had a major issue with students leaving the building unsupervised.
 
marcus903 said:
True, but in my school, that's not going to happen.

The school administrators and teachers are not in the business of tracking where their students are. The school never had a major issue with students leaving the building unsupervised.
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well in general a school by default is in the business of tracking the students just not in this manner.
But i agree with you, if a school doesn't have an issues with attendance of school and classes or skipping out of school or classes its not a "needed" product and would do little to improve anything.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes.
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Well that is just sad.

You'd better know where they are, whether they are in the bathroom or somewhere else. Of course, you don't watch them go, but you do monitor how long they've been in there.
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Small kids you will most likely always be there with them. As they get older you should go from being with them always to a place where they can handle themselves and do whatever they are doing. For example, a eleven year old you can allow them to do their thing while you go outside and do yard work or whatever while a toddler if you are going outside you will take them with you. Like I said earlier, different age children calls for different amounts of attention and as a parent you should permit them more privacy as their abilities expand and their need for you lowers. If you ever notice this is how it works. As their abilities expand they are allowed more freedom by their parents and are watched less closely.
 
Henrin said:
Well that is just sad.



Small kids you will most likely always be there with them. As they get older you should go from being with them always to a place where they can handle themselves and do whatever they are doing. For example, a eleven year old you can allow them to do their thing while you go outside and do yard work or whatever while a toddler if you are going outside you will take them with you. Like I said earlier, different age children calls for different amounts of attention and as a parent you should permit them more privacy as their abilities expand and their need for you lowers. If you ever notice this is how it works. As their abilities expand they are allowed more freedom by their parents and are watched less closely.
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Correct, but, if they have responsible parents, they are still watched. Kids who are allowed to do their own thing without supervision tend to get into trouble.
 
Henrin said:
And tracking peoples location is violation of their rights.
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To participate in school, students must give up some of their personal rights during the school day. Otherwise, how would a school be able to require a certain dress code, or place students in detention.
 
JRog said:
To participate in school, students must give up some of their personal rights during the school day. Otherwise, how would a school be able to require a certain dress code, or place students in detention.
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I'm from the government and I am here to help.
 
jamesrage said:
I hope the student wins.**** like this could be used to used to breed compliance with government and corporate monitoring of what we do.

Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker | Threat Level | Wired.com

A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.
Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave.
Radio-frequency identification devices are a daily part of the electronic age — found in passports, and library and payment cards. Eventually they’re expected to replace bar-code labels on consumer goods. Now schools across the nation are slowly adopting them as well.
The suspended student, sophomore Andrea Hernandez, was notified by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck, which she has been refusing to do. The district said the girl, who objects on privacy and religious grounds, beginning Monday would have to attend another high school in the district that does not yet employ the RFID tags.
The Rutherford Institute said it would go to court and try to nullify the district’s decision. The institute said that the district’s stated purpose for the program — to enhance their coffers — is “fundamentally disturbing.”
“There is something fundamentally disturbing about this school district’s insistence on steamrolling students into complying with programs that have nothing whatsoever to do with academic priorities and everything to do with fattening school coffers,” said John Whitehead, the institute’s president.
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He should have no problem wearing his RFID tracker after microwaving it for 30 seconds.
 
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