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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

switch them and do what?

for example Sam should be in math and switches cards with Greg in gym. the teachers in those classes know who Greg and Sam :shrug:

there is still roll call and everything else this is just extra from my understanding, if its not extra then the system is "flawed" and i would be concerned about it but it still doesnt violate rights

Why would you need role call? The scanner at the door could do that quickly and allow for more minutes of learning.
 
Why would you need role call? The scanner at the door could do that quickly and allow for more minutes of learning.

There never was a need for a roll call. Just assign seats, empty seat = student absent or tardy. Very simple and quick.

Back to kids exchanging cards, etc., no doubt teens will find clever ways to circumvent the system. They're about as good at it as Congress is at circumventing the Constitution. The issue is whether or not it is a violation of privacy rights. I say no, as it affects minors who have no expectation of privacy at school anyway.
 
There never was a need for a roll call. Just assign seats, empty seat = student absent or tardy. Very simple and quick.

Back to kids exchanging cards, etc., no doubt teens will find clever ways to circumvent the system. They're about as good at it as Congress is at circumventing the Constitution. The issue is whether or not it is a violation of privacy rights. I say no, as it affects minors who have no expectation of privacy at school anyway.

Why do students not have an expectation of privacy at school?
 
Why do students not have an expectation of privacy at school?

because they are minors in the custody of the school, obviously.

If you are baby sitting children, do you allow them the expectation of privacy?
 
because they are minors in the custody of the school, obviously.

So that means they have no right to privacy?

If you are baby sitting children, do you allow them the expectation of privacy?

That is a rather odd question. Do you just walk into the bathroom when a child is in there? Unless they are young and need help I don't. You appear to be a strange man if you say yes to that question.
 
So that means they have no right to privacy?

That is a rather odd question. Do you just walk into the bathroom when a child is in there? Unless they are young and need help I don't. You appear to be a strange man if you say yes to that question.

Do you know the child is in the bathroom when you are babysitting them? After all, all the chip would do is show the child was in the bathroom. It would give no actual image of the child in the bathroom. Only the location of the child.
 
Why would you need role call? The scanner at the door could do that quickly and allow for more minutes of learning.

sso basically you dont have an answer?

teachers would still know their students lol
 
Why do students not have an expectation of privacy at school?

weird you have all these questions but no answers LOL
bottom line students do not have the right to be anywhere on school property at anytime the want. this doesnt change nor is it impacted by the badge. Tell me how it is?
 
I am kinda torn, as a teacher. We are responsible for students when they are on campus but this is almost a violation of rights. That said, students don't have "rights" i nthe sense that adults look at the term. We issue passes. Don't allow students the use of the bathroom at times. Have them herded around so to speak, to classes, assemblies and other functions. Etc.

Students abuse the freedoms that we do give them many times. They break doors and windows. They graffiti walls. They leave campus without permission. They pull the fire alarm ruining hours of academic time. They don't show up for class for many reasons and hide in the toilettes. We are often looking at security cameras hoping to ID certain students.

Even the best students require passes to go to the library or computer rooms... is an ID Chip really that big of a deal? I don't know. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
 
sso basically you dont have an answer?

teachers would still know their students lol

I gave you an answer. I said that unsavory types could figure out how to track your kid. Hopefully, they leave the cards at school when they leave for the day. But since there are no lockers anymore, I doubt it.
 
So that means they have no right to privacy?

They are entitled to as much privacy as we deem appropriate. They are children and under our care. Surely parents understand this concept?

Why do students not have an expectation of privacy at school?

They can expect there bags or their clothing not to be randomly searched but location is far different.

That is a rather odd question. Do you just walk into the bathroom when a child is in there? Unless they are young and need help I don't. You appear to be a strange man if you say yes to that question.

You babysit? WTF?
 
I gave you an answer. I said that unsavory types could figure out how to track your kid. Hopefully, they leave the cards at school when they leave for the day. But since there are no lockers anymore, I doubt it.
im not much worried about your fantasy master hacker pedophile but say one is out there
track my kid where, on school property during school hours? whats the benefit of that, what can they do with that info?

also if this master phedophile is out there what is stopping him from doing it now with other things, phones, facebook, cars and other electronic devices? and he could <big gasp> trace thouse things ALL THE TIME and NOT on school property.

I also like how you add made up stuff that your not even sure off, no lockers, readers at doors etc.

you havent given me any rational concerns that take aways from the pros of the system
 
I am kinda torn, as a teacher. We are responsible for students when they are on campus but this is almost a violation of rights. That said, students don't have "rights" i nthe sense that adults look at the term. We issue passes. Don't allow students the use of the bathroom at times. Have them herded around so to speak, to classes, assemblies and other functions. Etc.

Students abuse the freedoms that we do give them many times. They break doors and windows. They graffiti walls. They leave campus without permission. They pull the fire alarm ruining hours of academic time. They don't show up for class for many reasons and hide in the toilettes. We are often looking at security cameras hoping to ID certain students.

Even the best students require passes to go to the library or computer rooms... is an ID Chip really that big of a deal? I don't know. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Not a teacher but volunteer at my school and I agree, as far as "rights" are concerned nothing changes but it easily could make the school safer and more efficient
 
The simple answer is that if the students themselves object they can do what I did at that age - break the system and it's devices.
 
im not much worried about your fantasy master hacker pedophile but say one is out there
track my kid where, on school property during school hours? whats the benefit of that, what can they do with that info?

also if this master phedophile is out there what is stopping him from doing it now with other things, phones, facebook, cars and other electronic devices? and he could <big gasp> trace thouse things ALL THE TIME and NOT on school property.

I also like how you add made up stuff that your not even sure off, no lockers, readers at doors etc.

you havent given me any rational concerns that take aways from the pros of the system

I like making things up. Haven't you ever played pretend?

Good.

Pretend that the parents are going to fork over $75 per kid, per card.
 
I like making things up. Haven't you ever played pretend?

Good.

Pretend that the parents are going to fork over $75 per kid, per card.

they dont coast that much my work has them but pretend the other solution, which others suggested here, is hire a few more guards at 30K a year and benefits that would also come out of school taxes :shrug:(parents pockets)

next lets pretend that since all the schools are now hiring extra guards theres a chester child molester out there that has a clean record and decides to find work as one. Now he is armed with keys and security codes to your kids school and he watches the camersa all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ooooooooOOOOOooooohhh noooooOOOOOOooooooo!
:scared:

see i can do it too :D
 
they dont coast that much my work has them but pretend the other solution, which others suggested here, is hire a few more guards at 30K a year and benefits that would also come out of school taxes :shrug:(parents pockets)

next lets pretend that since all the schools are now hiring extra guards theres a chester child molester out there that has a clean record and decides to find work as one. Now he is armed with keys and security codes to your kids school and he watches the camersa all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ooooooooOOOOOooooohhh noooooOOOOOOooooooo!
:scared:

see i can do it too :D

I worked at a school with 100 kids... all expelled, with two guards. That is a pretty damn good ratio. They didn't help at all. There were drugs, fights, weapons, etc. DAILY.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of these security cards.

Not a teacher but volunteer at my school and I agree, as far as "rights" are concerned nothing changes but it easily could make the school safer and more efficient

Agreed...
 
they dont coast that much my work has them but pretend the other solution, which others suggested here, is hire a few more guards at 30K a year and benefits that would also come out of school taxes :shrug:(parents pockets)

next lets pretend that since all the schools are now hiring extra guards theres a chester child molester out there that has a clean record and decides to find work as one. Now he is armed with keys and security codes to your kids school and he watches the camersa all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ooooooooOOOOOooooohhh noooooOOOOOOooooooo!
:scared:

see i can do it too :D
WoW! That was good. OK, I'm done pretending now.
 
I worked at a school with 100 kids... all expelled, with two guards. That is a pretty damn good ratio. They didn't help at all. There were drugs, fights, weapons, etc. DAILY.

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of these security cards.



Agreed...

thats sad it was like that, my school is sin general i think pretty good.
Maybe im negative but i think drugs and fights will be at every school, not that i want it or condone it but i doubt that will ever be prevented.
No weapons that im aware of, over the years there has been some knives and stuff but it never seemed they were at school for violence, they were there cause they were a gift or "cool"

I like the badges as long as it isnt a "replacement" for good supervision. it should be in ADDITION too good supervision.
I have zero concern with the rights things because non are violated
 
thats sad it was like that, my school is sin general i think pretty good.
Maybe im negative but i think drugs and fights will be at every school, not that i want it or condone it but i doubt that will ever be prevented.
No weapons that im aware of, over the years there has been some knives and stuff but it never seemed they were at school for violence, they were there cause they were a gift or "cool"

I like the badges as long as it isnt a "replacement" for good supervision. it should be in ADDITION too good supervision.
I have zero concern with the rights things because non are violated

It was an expulsion school were the worst students were sent as a last resort. It was in the East Bay of San Fran. Very tough area. Richmond was the murder capital of the USA a couple of times in the 90's if I remember correctly. Mostly gangs. Nothing like the feel good movies where the teacher with good intentions changes everybody for good.

Where I teach now is vastly different.
 
It was an expulsion school were the worst students were sent as a last resort. It was in the East Bay of San Fran. Very tough area. Richmond was the murder capital of the USA a couple of times in the 90's if I remember correctly. Mostly gangs. Nothing like the feel good movies where the teacher with good intentions changes everybody for good.

Where I teach now is vastly different.


oooh that explains it better, bet that was pretty damn challenging
 
From the article : "School officials offered to quietly remove the tracking chip from Andrea’s card if the sophomore would agree to wear the new ID without the imbedded RFID chip so as to give the appearance of participation in the Student Locator Project. Andrea refused this offer. "

Why would that be a violation of her religion? I think it could be a good tool to have in a school shooting situation to help the police be able to locate students hiding in closets and such.

Because it still gives the impression that she is doing something against her religious beliefs. The impression is as bad as the act for some.
 
Indeed, do it at birth where apparently violations of rights is ok because you won't remember the pain. At that up to will ensure the child is safe and you have a win win baby.

Better yet, do it while the baby is in the womb. Apparently they have no rights there.
 
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