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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

Yeah, it makes more sense for that kind of workplace. And yeah, I know the alternative is not being allowed on their property, but as in the OP's story, it's a government school, so there's more room for contesting the privacy invasion.

Just dont see the concern really, But I do think its odd if there was no reason to implement it, like low attendance, skipping class, lost students, students hiding out in gyms and study halls etc.
Seems over kill if there was not cause and effect if you know what I mean.
 
These are high school students. They are minors. The school is responsible for them from the time they leave home until they arrive back home. If one of them gets in trouble, leaves campus, skips classes, whatever, it is the school's responsibility. Tracking where they are seems to me perfectly reasonable for the school to do. This is not the same thing as tracking the whereabouts of adults.
 
These are high school students. They are minors. The school is responsible for them from the time they leave home until they arrive back home. If one of them gets in trouble, leaves campus, skips classes, whatever, it is the school's responsibility. Tracking where they are seems to me perfectly reasonable for the school to do. This is not the same thing as tracking the whereabouts of adults.

Why is it not the same as tracking the whereabouts of adults? I fail to see how being a child means you have no privacy.
 
100 years ago, nobody knew what photo ID was. Todays holographic drivers license was sheer science fiction. 100 years from now, your chip implant will be completely normal, not to mention efficient and time-saving.



(It will take 100 years to prove my theory so be well and live long)
 
Why is it not the same as tracking the whereabouts of adults? I fail to see how being a child means you have no privacy.

Seriously? Do you have children of your own? Do you ever take responsibility for other people's children? If you say yes to either of those, surely you realize that they have to be supervised.
 
First students are minors so much of the 'rights' issues don't apply.
Second schools are held responsible for the student's safety
Third there are truancy laws
Fourth schools ARE prisons if you are dead set on seeing them that way. (I'd say the fences are as much for keeping bad elements out as trapping students in)
Fifth lose a student or leave one on a bus and see the stink raised
sixth many 'conservatives' want to see more discipline in our schools, they rant and rail there is so little at home, give them a mop and chip I say... :roll:
seventh most 'conservatives' want to see more accountability and are looking for ways to cut school funding, monitoring actual numbers of MINORS in the school system seems something they would love!
 
First students are minors so much of the 'rights' issues don't apply.
Second schools are held responsible for the student's safety
Third there are truancy laws
Fourth schools ARE prisons if you are dead set on seeing them that way. (I'd say the fences are as much for keeping bad elements out as trapping students in)
Fifth lose a student or leave one on a bus and see the stink raised
sixth many 'conservatives' want to see more discipline in our schools, they rant and rail there is so little at home, give them a mop and chip I say... :roll:
seventh most 'conservatives' want to see more accountability and are looking for ways to cut school funding, monitoring actual numbers of MINORS in the school system seems something they would love!

Most conservatives don't want tracking chips in or on kids. If the schools are that worried about kids leaving the school then they can post security guards at all the doors, the IDs don't need tracking chips.
 
Seriously? Do you have children of your own? Do you ever take responsibility for other people's children? If you say yes to either of those, surely you realize that they have to be supervised.

Watching children and tracking them with chips are not at all comparable.
 
Sigh. This thread and another recent one remind me how much I miss the old liberals.

I am not that old, but I can recall a time where many Americans who identified as left wing were opposed to oppressive government action at schools, when traveling, etc. While one could find a lot wrong with their economic and foreign policy thinking, their other views were decent. Today's liberals seem to have no problem with government, only corporations.

Of course, other concepts once considered fundamental to left wing politics in America seem to have magically disappeared as well. Opposition to war and support for free speech have gone out the window. Now it is all a partisan game.
 
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First students are minors so much of the 'rights' issues don't apply.

Always an interesting argument. You could make the argument that kids need to have shots and they need to get surgeries they might otherwise not want, but there are restrictions to such things even then. You would logically weigh that on their health and basic human maintenance like haircuts. What we are talking about is not different for children and there is no amount of special need that they otherwise couldn't do that would allow it. Your doesn't apply argument doesn't apply itself.

Second schools are held responsible for the student's safety

Guards and teachers. Funny how timeless solutions that work still work.

Third there are truancy laws
The existence of the law warrants itself then?
 
While I don't see this as having eschatological religious implications per se, nontheless I oppose this RFID tracking business... it is just too intrusive, even for High School.


If I were prone to conspiracy theory, I might say something like "get 'em used to it in school for a generation or two, then they won't kick up as much fuss when you make it mandatory for adults too."
 
Of course, other concepts once considered fundamental to left wing politics in America seem to have magically disappeared as well. Opposition to war and support for free speech have gone out the window. Now it is all a partisan game.

All that's changed with regard to “free speech” is just what is meant by that term. When those on the left were the champions of “free speech”, it was all about pornography, obscene language, and similarly degrading things. Those on the left are still the biggest champions of “free speech”, as long as this is what is meant by the term. More modern debate about free speech has been more about the genuine use of it, in order to express genuine opinions and beliefs that might be controversial. The left never cared for this variety of free speech, and today is as openly opposed to it as they ever were.
 
if this were a tattoo, then maybe that would be a reasonable objection
the school's expectation is not onerous
wear the chipped ID card so that the school- which is responsible for the students on campus grounds - can know where its students are located during school hours

I agree with the chimp. If they were required to wear this off-campus then I would see the school as over stepping it's social role. But they have a clear interest in monitoring students on campus
 
If someone wants to leave the school they have the right to leave the damn school. The school is responsible for the kids, but the kids also have free will and the school is NOT a prison. If they want to skip half of the day than that is their right to do.

But yes, it is violation of ones privacy.

No they cannot leave - you need to understand perental locus.

They cannot leave on their own.
 
Why is it not the same as tracking the whereabouts of adults? I fail to see how being a child means you have no privacy.

because children are considered "dependent".
 
if this were a tattoo, then maybe that would be a reasonable objection
the school's expectation is not onerous
wear the chipped ID card so that the school- which is responsible for the students on campus grounds - can know where its students are located during school hours
Yeah, because high school kids are such adorable morons that they must be tracked at all times -- it's the way of a caring gestapo, it is.
 
No they cannot leave - you need to understand perental locus.

They cannot leave on their own.

Which doesn't include civil liberties which we are dealing with here.
 
This is not right, A blatant attack on civil liberties, No matter child or adult. Some of you may see this as "Protection for our Children". I see this as a "Going to Far" Response to domestic terrorism and the American Mindset after 9/11. This is not a solution to a problem, it is Utilitarian method meant for max control, which nobody should have.

I applaud this person for refusing to wear the RF-ID badge, I would not either.

For those of you that have graduated from grade school in the past, you remember "Senior Skip Day" and all those shenanigans you pulled while back in school. Do we really want to have our children become "Learning Machines" in school and nothing else? I remember running about the school during study hall, having fun and the time of my life, And I am sure I will remember it until the day I die.
 
This is not right, A blatant attack on civil liberties, No matter child or adult. Some of you may see this as "Protection for our Children". I see this as a "Going to Far" Response to domestic terrorism and the American Mindset after 9/11. This is not a solution to a problem, it is Utilitarian method meant for max control, which nobody should have.

I applaud this person for refusing to wear the RF-ID badge, I would not either.

For those of you that have graduated from grade school in the past, you remember "Senior Skip Day" and all those shenanigans you pulled while back in school. Do we really want to have our children become "Learning Machines" in school and nothing else? I remember running about the school during study hall, having fun and the time of my life, And I am sure I will remember it until the day I die.

civil liberties arent about breaking the rules
I dont view this as anything to do with 9/11???
also how would this affect senior skip day?
 
I hope the student wins.**** like this could be used to used to breed compliance with government and corporate monitoring of what we do.

Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker | Threat Level | Wired.com

A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.
Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave.
Radio-frequency identification devices are a daily part of the electronic age — found in passports, and library and payment cards. Eventually they’re expected to replace bar-code labels on consumer goods. Now schools across the nation are slowly adopting them as well.
The suspended student, sophomore Andrea Hernandez, was notified by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck, which she has been refusing to do. The district said the girl, who objects on privacy and religious grounds, beginning Monday would have to attend another high school in the district that does not yet employ the RFID tags.
The Rutherford Institute said it would go to court and try to nullify the district’s decision. The institute said that the district’s stated purpose for the program — to enhance their coffers — is “fundamentally disturbing.”
“There is something fundamentally disturbing about this school district’s insistence on steamrolling students into complying with programs that have nothing whatsoever to do with academic priorities and everything to do with fattening school coffers,” said John Whitehead, the institute’s president.

I'm ambivalent about the chip because some parents might want their children tracked. I'm not at all ambivalent about the stated purpose ""to do with fattening school coffers." That is absolutely wrong.
 
Which doesn't include civil liberties which we are dealing with here.

I understand exactly what we are discussing here.

I corrected a comment.
 
I understand exactly what we are discussing here.

I corrected a comment.

You can't very well correct a comment incorrectly and claim you did so correctly.

What you actually did was bring up perental locus and applied it incorrectly.
 
(IN late - regarding the OP . . . didn't read the thread or anything else on this issue)

Umm - no . . . I put 'tracking your every move with a chip' to be along the lines of 'privacy invasion' and 'need a warrant' - you know, those concerns.

No way would I support 'the chip' - absolutely not.

I support the student. They're people - not cars.
 
(IN late - regarding the OP . . . didn't read the thread or anything else on this issue)

Umm - no . . . I put 'tracking your every move with a chip' to be along the lines of 'privacy invasion' and 'need a warrant' - you know, those concerns.

No way would I support 'the chip' - absolutely not.

I support the student. They're people - not cars.

I would agree if it was outside of school property and school hours but its not, dont you think that makes a difference? just honestly asking?
My work is set up this way but the situation is quite different because we are a secured facility.
Technically theres no privacy invasion that doesnt already exist. No need for a warrant either since its on school property. Same reason they can go through your locker.
 
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