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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can't very well correct a comment incorrectly and claim you did so correctly.

    What you actually did was bring up perental locus and applied it incorrectly.
    The comment indicated that a student could leave the school at any time.
    That was incorrect. My response was accurate.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I would agree if it was outside of school property and school hours but its not, dont you think that makes a difference? just honestly asking?
    My work is set up this way but the situation is quite different because we are a secured facility.
    Technically theres no privacy invasion that doesnt already exist. No need for a warrant either since its on school property. Same reason they can go through your locker.
    I don't like it, but your logic is sound.
    I have gone several rounds with a teacher about locker searches and warrants, but to no avail.
    Given your logic, the chip would stand up to the same tests.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I don't like it, but your logic is sound.
    I have gone several rounds with a teacher about locker searches and warrants, but to no avail.
    Given your logic, the chip would stand up to the same tests.
    well im not a fan either but thats just how it is, not to mention the HUGE kicker is (at least at my kids school) every year you are notified that lockers and anything in the lockers (or inside the school) are subject to search and seizure and at any time your child could be on camera and subjected to wanding (metal detector)

    now my kids school doesn't actually have metal detectors but the notice still comes out every year.

    the second kicker is theres no force, im free to send my kid to another school.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    well im not a fan either but thats just how it is, not to mention the HUGE kicker is (at least at my kids school) every year you are notified that lockers and anything in the lockers (or inside the school) are subject to search and seizure and at any time your child could be on camera and subjected to wanding (metal detector)

    now my kids school doesn't actually have metal detectors but the notice still comes out every year.

    the second kicker is theres no force, im free to send my kid to another school.
    Yea, I know. My battle with the locker searches and search warrants was when parental locus was slammed in my face.

    I still think this BS was historically slipped in by the schools and accepted by parents who did not know or care about the impact.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yea, I know. My battle with the locker searches and search warrants was when parental locus was slammed in my face.

    I still think this BS was historically slipped in by the schools and accepted by parents who did not know or care about the impact.
    not familiar with parental locus but how does it impact that the locker is school property not private property or am i misunderstanding.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    not familiar with parental locus but how does it impact that the locker is school property not private property or am i misunderstanding.
    In loco parentis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Parental locus, or in loco parentis, is Latin for in the place of a parent.
    It is a concept where the legal responsibility for a minor child transfers some powers to a individual or an organization (school).
    The logic is tha this transfer of responsibility is necessary for the proper care of the child.

    In other words, since a parent does not need a search warrant based upon probable cause to search their own minor child's room, the child's school is accorded the same powers.

    I sure as Hell don't like the concept, but it is firmly established in common law, and our hands are tied.

    The same defense would also cover the RFID tag issue discussed here.
    Since the RFID concept is radically different, though, I hope that it can be shut down easily and quickly.
    Parents do not use RFID at home, so hopefully in loco parentis cannot be used by schools as a defense.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I hope the student wins.**** like this could be used to used to breed compliance with government and corporate monitoring of what we do.

    Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker | Threat Level | Wired.com

    A Texas high school student is being suspended for refusing to wear a student ID card implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip.
    Northside Independent School District in San Antonio began issuing the RFID-chip-laden student-body cards when the semester began in the fall. The ID badge has a bar code associated with a student’s Social Security number, and the RFID chip monitors pupils’ movements on campus, from when they arrive until when they leave.
    Radio-frequency identification devices are a daily part of the electronic age — found in passports, and library and payment cards. Eventually they’re expected to replace bar-code labels on consumer goods. Now schools across the nation are slowly adopting them as well.
    The suspended student, sophomore Andrea Hernandez, was notified by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck, which she has been refusing to do. The district said the girl, who objects on privacy and religious grounds, beginning Monday would have to attend another high school in the district that does not yet employ the RFID tags.
    The Rutherford Institute said it would go to court and try to nullify the district’s decision. The institute said that the district’s stated purpose for the program — to enhance their coffers — is “fundamentally disturbing.”
    “There is something fundamentally disturbing about this school district’s insistence on steamrolling students into complying with programs that have nothing whatsoever to do with academic priorities and everything to do with fattening school coffers,” said John Whitehead, the institute’s president.
    On the plus side, I see an excellent opportunity to skip class using this.
    If they can track students with it, just leave it in your next class and leave the building.
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    Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Just get one of those RFID blocking cases.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Always an interesting argument. You could make the argument that kids need to have shots and they need to get surgeries they might otherwise not want, but there are restrictions to such things even then. You would logically weigh that on their health and basic human maintenance like haircuts. What we are talking about is not different for children and there is no amount of special need that they otherwise couldn't do that would allow it. Your doesn't apply argument doesn't apply itself.



    Guards and teachers. Funny how timeless solutions that work still work.


    The existence of the law warrants itself then?
    Ahhh children do need shots before attending school. You should study up on the subject.

    many schools do set dress length, hair codes, down to colors that can and can't be worn.

    children do not have the same rights as adults. they can't vote, drive cars, try having sex with a 16 year old!

    It isn't a 'liberty' issue- a vast majority of both right and left leaning parents see it as safety for their minor children.

    In Walters, OK a few guards and teachers knowing their children by sight might work instead of chips- we graduate 30 some kids a year. That isn't the same as a super high school like Columbine, CO that graduates 300+ a year. Practicality is the name of the game and used to be the a hallmark of libertarians. I do realize some who call themselves libertarian would be better called anarchists.

    To the poster who longs for old school liberals and the ease with which 'modern' liberals embrace 'big government'... Government has changed from the 60's. A super 'conservative' Governor Rick Perry made a cervical cancer vaccination MANDATORY for virgin girls attending Texas schools.

    It is counterproductive to simply pigeonhole folks as liberal or conservative and expect them to toe the party line.

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

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    Just get one of those RFID blocking cases.
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