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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is it not the same as tracking the whereabouts of adults? I fail to see how being a child means you have no privacy.
    Seriously? Do you have children of your own? Do you ever take responsibility for other people's children? If you say yes to either of those, surely you realize that they have to be supervised.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    First students are minors so much of the 'rights' issues don't apply.
    Second schools are held responsible for the student's safety
    Third there are truancy laws
    Fourth schools ARE prisons if you are dead set on seeing them that way. (I'd say the fences are as much for keeping bad elements out as trapping students in)
    Fifth lose a student or leave one on a bus and see the stink raised
    sixth many 'conservatives' want to see more discipline in our schools, they rant and rail there is so little at home, give them a mop and chip I say...
    seventh most 'conservatives' want to see more accountability and are looking for ways to cut school funding, monitoring actual numbers of MINORS in the school system seems something they would love!

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    First students are minors so much of the 'rights' issues don't apply.
    Second schools are held responsible for the student's safety
    Third there are truancy laws
    Fourth schools ARE prisons if you are dead set on seeing them that way. (I'd say the fences are as much for keeping bad elements out as trapping students in)
    Fifth lose a student or leave one on a bus and see the stink raised
    sixth many 'conservatives' want to see more discipline in our schools, they rant and rail there is so little at home, give them a mop and chip I say...
    seventh most 'conservatives' want to see more accountability and are looking for ways to cut school funding, monitoring actual numbers of MINORS in the school system seems something they would love!
    Most conservatives don't want tracking chips in or on kids. If the schools are that worried about kids leaving the school then they can post security guards at all the doors, the IDs don't need tracking chips.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Seriously? Do you have children of your own? Do you ever take responsibility for other people's children? If you say yes to either of those, surely you realize that they have to be supervised.
    Watching children and tracking them with chips are not at all comparable.

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Sigh. This thread and another recent one remind me how much I miss the old liberals.

    I am not that old, but I can recall a time where many Americans who identified as left wing were opposed to oppressive government action at schools, when traveling, etc. While one could find a lot wrong with their economic and foreign policy thinking, their other views were decent. Today's liberals seem to have no problem with government, only corporations.

    Of course, other concepts once considered fundamental to left wing politics in America seem to have magically disappeared as well. Opposition to war and support for free speech have gone out the window. Now it is all a partisan game.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    First students are minors so much of the 'rights' issues don't apply.
    Always an interesting argument. You could make the argument that kids need to have shots and they need to get surgeries they might otherwise not want, but there are restrictions to such things even then. You would logically weigh that on their health and basic human maintenance like haircuts. What we are talking about is not different for children and there is no amount of special need that they otherwise couldn't do that would allow it. Your doesn't apply argument doesn't apply itself.

    Second schools are held responsible for the student's safety
    Guards and teachers. Funny how timeless solutions that work still work.

    Third there are truancy laws
    The existence of the law warrants itself then?

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    While I don't see this as having eschatological religious implications per se, nontheless I oppose this RFID tracking business... it is just too intrusive, even for High School.


    If I were prone to conspiracy theory, I might say something like "get 'em used to it in school for a generation or two, then they won't kick up as much fuss when you make it mandatory for adults too."

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    Of course, other concepts once considered fundamental to left wing politics in America seem to have magically disappeared as well. Opposition to war and support for free speech have gone out the window. Now it is all a partisan game.
    All that's changed with regard to “free speech” is just what is meant by that term. When those on the left were the champions of “free speech”, it was all about pornography, obscene language, and similarly degrading things. Those on the left are still the biggest champions of “free speech”, as long as this is what is meant by the term. More modern debate about free speech has been more about the genuine use of it, in order to express genuine opinions and beliefs that might be controversial. The left never cared for this variety of free speech, and today is as openly opposed to it as they ever were.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if this were a tattoo, then maybe that would be a reasonable objection
    the school's expectation is not onerous
    wear the chipped ID card so that the school- which is responsible for the students on campus grounds - can know where its students are located during school hours
    I agree with the chimp. If they were required to wear this off-campus then I would see the school as over stepping it's social role. But they have a clear interest in monitoring students on campus

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If someone wants to leave the school they have the right to leave the damn school. The school is responsible for the kids, but the kids also have free will and the school is NOT a prison. If they want to skip half of the day than that is their right to do.

    But yes, it is violation of ones privacy.
    No they cannot leave - you need to understand perental locus.

    They cannot leave on their own.
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