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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope, like i said my work is like this it doesnt bother me one bit, i actually never even think about it. Why would I

    also you solutions to "beating it" are meaningless LOL the teacher would see you are not there and i dont recall anybody saying it was full proof on ly that it offered MORE option lol

    and most importantly, the point most people are making that it simply doesn't infringe on rights and its an extra tool.

    The teacher not seeing me is irrelevant. Teenagers think of the here and now....if I'm not in class and am able to skip and do what I want...then I could careless...I'll deal with the consequences the next day or later. My point isn't that the student wouldn't get in trouble...its that they would not care about it until it happened.

    As far as you at work...put yourself in your teenage body and mindset...then think about it.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

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    I have had my two daughter in jiu-jitsu for almost two years now. Ages 7 and 9 now. My youngest beats all of the boys.

    You think it "crosses a line" but that is just your opinion. Many don't. Open and flexible leads to students pulling fire alarms, smoking, vandalism, bullying, drug deals, gambeling, fighting, starting fires in bathrooms, graffiti, ditching class and leaving campus, etc.

    Keep thinking what you will...
    yeah i find it odd that a person who supports passes, guards/adult patrols, cameras, locked doors finds this any different because the reality is its really not.

    Now if a person was against all that stuff then yeah i guess i could see it but to think a tag is much different than what really goes on is just silly IMO.

    Maybe its just me because i volunteer at a school and i know how closely the kids are monitored and how hard it actually can be sometimes.

    under prime circumstances they are already monitor very well and they are never anywhere where they arent supposed to be when they arent supposed to be BUT there are always those case when they it happened and 99.9% of the time the kids are breaking rules.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    yeah i find it odd that a person who supports passes, guards/adult patrols, cameras, locked doors finds this any different because the reality is its really not.

    Now if a person was against all that stuff then yeah i guess i could see it but to think a tag is much different than what really goes on is just silly IMO.

    Maybe its just me because i volunteer at a school and i know how closely the kids are monitored and how hard it actually can be sometimes.

    under prime circumstances they are already monitor very well and they are never anywhere where they arent supposed to be when they arent supposed to be BUT there are always those case when they it happened and 99.9% of the time the kids are breaking rules.
    My support only goes with what they already have...there is simply no need for this with all the other things they have available.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    The teacher not seeing me is irrelevant. Teenagers think of the here and now....if I'm not in class and am able to skip and do what I want...then I could careless...I'll deal with the consequences the next day or later. My point isn't that the student wouldn't get in trouble...its that they would not care about it until it happened.

    As far as you at work...put yourself in your teenage body and mindset...then think about it.
    actually unless you have no clue what is being discussed its totally relevant LMAO

    the teacher knows you are skipping and reports its its the main purpose. Now of course you can hide out or what ever but you are in trouble and documented.

    Kids not caring is ALWAYS going to happen, that means nothing to this system LOL

    and I do think about it, as a kid it wouldnt bother me any more than any other "rules" that bothered kids for no reasons, they get over it just like i did
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    My support only goes with what they already have...there is simply no need for this with all the other things they have available.
    says you but some schools may feel different, especially if this is cheaper than something else or a particular school has a hige rate of skipping or injury etc

    someone else suggested "just put security guards at every door" which is just stupid considering every school may not have that type of funds. 10 doors, 10 guards at 30K a piece a year.

    again, you may not like it but in reality theres nothing any worse about it over cameras. guards etc
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    You think open and flexible automatically means negativity?

    The problem seems to be that people automatically think these horrendous things will happen, but that may not be true. Strict and confining schools feed rebellious attitudes. If schools would instead concentrate on educating students instead of controlling them...perhaps we could find a solution
    how do you educate them with out a level of control? if they arent in classes or where the info is theres no education to be had.
    not to mention this isnt any more "strict or confining" than any school i have attended or volunteered at, they just have a better "tool"

    how is it more strict?
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    You think open and flexible automatically means negativity?

    The problem seems to be that people automatically think these horrendous things will happen, but that may not be true. Strict and confining schools feed rebellious attitudes. If schools would instead concentrate on educating students instead of controlling them...perhaps we could find a solution
    Automatically happening is irrelevant. They already happen. That is a fact and the fact is the point. Sorry... each one of the things I mentioned above have happened in our school in the past two years.

    Rebellious kids rebel no matter what. Just another fact. I have worked in all kinds of schools and in my vast experience you are very naive. Behaviour issues are a part of education and you can't teach if you have students unwilling or unable to be taught. There are many parents that won't let their children do home work at home. Don't feed their kids much at all. Beat them. Molest them. Aren't smart parents to begin with. The issue is getting bigger.. not smaller. Divorced. Absent parents.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    My support only goes with what they already have...there is simply no need for this with all the other things they have available.
    As a teacher I can tell you that there is a need for it... your objections are noted though.

    At the very least these cards should be issued to the 2-3% of students that are causing 95% of the problems.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    My support only goes with what they already have...there is simply no need for this with all the other things they have available.
    Additionally, this would probably make things less strict. Students would not have to be asking for passes or showing them to teachers when out in the halls. They could move about more freely because they are being monitored indirectly instead of directly. This solution could solve many problems before they occur.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Define what "The Beast" is. If this kid thinks that elements of the government are possibly "The Beast" does this make him a traitor? What if he takes the definition literally as in "A non-human entity with will upon the world the has the ability to take life" Would this still fall within freedom of religion? Not saying the school would take his life. But what if some rogue person with powers relative did a side job using this tracking method? A bad job. Would this kid be wrong by choosing to by-pass "unknown/possible/unsure "beasts"? Who decrees what is relevant to religion and what isnt? Is whim/will not enough?

    Who knows what this kids reason is. But the fact that its his reason isn't enough?
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