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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    By the way...I just thought of something..

    If I were in a school like this...I would hate this whole thing obviously. I think if we all put ourselves there we would dislike it.

    I would actually take that badge while I was in class and put it in my desk, or tape underneath if there was no compartment in the desk. I would have a friend get it who was in the class with me, and I would cut class. I would pick it up either right outside the classroom before heading off to another class...OR...I would tell that friend I'll be over to his place to pick it up before school the next day and skip the whole day. That way tracking shows that I'm where I'm supposed to be...but I'm actually not.

    There are ways they will find to get around this....I know I would have done it if I were in that school.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    I'm somewhat conflicted. It does seem intrusive to have the children being tracked, but I do see the merits of it on campus. I don't think high school students really have a reasonable expectation of privacy about their whereabouts. Schools are supposed to control where students can and can't be, and in a way, this is just helping them out. It's close to the line, but I don't think I'd be against it if all it could was track students locations on campus.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    High School kids have entered an age where rebellion is going to happen regardless of what action is taken. You allow the parents to do the parenting and if the kid is found to be in trouble then appropriate action is to be taken. This does not mean you put electronic tracking on them.
    You keep saying that but you have yet to demonstrate why it is any worse than hall passes or security cameras.

    Fine its rhetorical then
    And you still don't seem to understand...

    Ignorance huh? That would imply that I'm uneducated on the subject which I am not. I went through school being bullied. I tried everything else...tell an adult...blah blah blah!

    You know what worked? When I decided that enough was enough and I didn't let myself get walked over. I reared back and socked that bully right in the jaw. Guess what? That problem was solved.
    Being bullied does not make you an expert. For every kid that stands up for themselves like you did (and good for you, seriously) there are dozens of other kids, if not more, that take the crap, get depressed, cut, do drugs, drink, abuse themselves and commit suicide. As A teacher I have heard of very few that stand up for themselves the way that you did and many who have gone so far as to commit suicide.

    Kids have become soft. You are put into situations where defending yourself is a must. I learned that. Whether or not I got my ass kicked was irrelevant because just standing up for myself ended the bullying. They went elsewhere because they knew they would be in a fight with me. Sometimes these situations aren't all candy canes and lollipops. You have to defense yourself at times, and with bullies...it usually works!
    Not usually and it depends on the bully.

    When I said cameras....it was security cameras around the entrances and exits...not the bathroom for Gods sake.
    That is why I said "going into". Security cameras already are positioned in areas that see access to the bath rooms. I asked why is this not a violation but a security card is? Answer please...
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    By the way...I just thought of something..

    If I were in a school like this...I would hate this whole thing obviously. I think if we all put ourselves there we would dislike it.

    I would actually take that badge while I was in class and put it in my desk, or tape underneath if there was no compartment in the desk. I would have a friend get it who was in the class with me, and I would cut class. I would pick it up either right outside the classroom before heading off to another class...OR...I would tell that friend I'll be over to his place to pick it up before school the next day and skip the whole day. That way tracking shows that I'm where I'm supposed to be...but I'm actually not.

    There are ways they will find to get around this....I know I would have done it if I were in that school.
    Some would try but most wouldn't. Once a couple of people got caught (it isn't that hard to catch them BTW) and a consequence was administered, the rest would not challenge it so overtly.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You keep saying that but you have yet to demonstrate why it is any worse than hall passes or security cameras.
    It is worse because it is crossing a line. It is an unnecessary step. You don't need to waste school resources by using this. Don't you think the money could be used in better ways...perhaps text books, computer labs....something? Instead they use it for this? It doesn't help the academics.



    And you still don't seem to understand...
    Oh I do which is why I didn't give a response. You said it rhetorically.



    Being bullied does not make you an expert. For every kid that stands up for themselves like you did (and good for you, seriously) there are dozens of other kids, if not more, that take the crap, get depressed, cut, do drugs, drink, abuse themselves and commit suicide. As A teacher I have heard of very few that stand up for themselves the way that you did and many who have gone so far as to commit suicide.
    It doesn't make me an expert, but it certainly means I'm not ignorant on the matter. I speak to kids and parents about bullying. What i tell the victim's parents is to enroll them into self defense classes and other areas to boast confidence and self-esteem. This comes down to parenting as well. I've heard of tragic events like suicide...and my heart bleeds for those kids because I do understand the emotional toll it can take. I just don't think more control and less freedom will solve the issue...its more than that.



    Not usually and it depends on the bully.
    From what I've seen...when the victim stands up to the bully...the bully finds another person to pick on that is less likely to stand up for themselves.

    That is why I said "going into". Security cameras already are positioned in areas that see access to the bath rooms. I asked why is this not a violation but a security card is? Answer please...
    I think it is a violation personally. That is something that should be fixed too...there is absolutely no reason to place cameras at the entrance and exits to bathrooms.
    Some would try but most wouldn't. Once a couple of people got caught (it isn't that hard to catch them BTW) and a consequence was administered, the rest would not challenge it so overtly.
    Sure a couple people would get caught...after the fact. They would be able to skip for that day which in a teenagers mind is worth it because they usually don't think of consequences...they just do it. Then there is that mentality "it won't happen to me." You know as a teacher...the invisibility syndrome teens have.

    The fact is that they will find a way around it and not all will conform as you think. Rebellion is what teens do, and what the schools could do is be more open and flexible instead of closed and prison-like.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    It is worse because it is crossing a line. It is an unnecessary step. You don't need to waste school resources by using this. Don't you think the money could be used in better ways...perhaps text books, computer labs....something? Instead they use it for this? It doesn't help the academics.





    Oh I do which is why I didn't give a response. You said it rhetorically.





    It doesn't make me an expert, but it certainly means I'm not ignorant on the matter. I speak to kids and parents about bullying. What i tell the victim's parents is to enroll them into self defense classes and other areas to boast confidence and self-esteem. This comes down to parenting as well. I've heard of tragic events like suicide...and my heart bleeds for those kids because I do understand the emotional toll it can take. I just don't think more control and less freedom will solve the issue...its more than that.





    From what I've seen...when the victim stands up to the bully...the bully finds another person to pick on that is less likely to stand up for themselves.



    I think it is a violation personally. That is something that should be fixed too...there is absolutely no reason to place cameras at the entrance and exits to bathrooms.


    Sure a couple people would get caught...after the fact. They would be able to skip for that day which in a teenagers mind is worth it because they usually don't think of consequences...they just do it. Then there is that mentality "it won't happen to me." You know as a teacher...the invisibility syndrome teens have.

    The fact is that they will find a way around it and not all will conform as you think. Rebellion is what teens do, and what the schools could do is be more open and flexible instead of closed and prison-like.
    Money is truly wasted in ways that most people don't know and this would be money well spent.

    Fighting is not for everybody. It just isn't.

    I have had my two daughter in jiu-jitsu for almost two years now. Ages 7 and 9 now. My youngest beats all of the boys.

    You think it "crosses a line" but that is just your opinion. Many don't. Open and flexible leads to students pulling fire alarms, smoking, vandalism, bullying, drug deals, gambeling, fighting, starting fires in bathrooms, graffiti, ditching class and leaving campus, etc.

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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How does the tracking magically stop when the student leaves school grounds?

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    They turn in their card? Not that difficult.
    OH lol I sooooooooo read this wrong,

    i thought he asked how it magically stops the kids from leaving school LMAO

    but yes Bodhi you are right they turn them in and collect them and vice versa in the morning.

    Dont know how these tags work but the tags I have at my work, are blue tooth. The turn on when you badge in the building and when they turn off when you badge out.

    If these are like those that would be another simple solution.

    there are also trackers that are short range and wont work far away from a detection source

    many simple solutions
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    By the way...I just thought of something..

    If I were in a school like this...I would hate this whole thing obviously. I think if we all put ourselves there we would dislike it.

    I would actually take that badge while I was in class and put it in my desk, or tape underneath if there was no compartment in the desk. I would have a friend get it who was in the class with me, and I would cut class. I would pick it up either right outside the classroom before heading off to another class...OR...I would tell that friend I'll be over to his place to pick it up before school the next day and skip the whole day. That way tracking shows that I'm where I'm supposed to be...but I'm actually not.

    There are ways they will find to get around this....I know I would have done it if I were in that school.
    nope, like i said my work is like this it doesnt bother me one bit, i actually never even think about it. Why would I

    also you solutions to "beating it" are meaningless LOL the teacher would see you are not there and i dont recall anybody saying it was full proof on ly that it offered MORE option lol

    and most importantly, the point most people are making that it simply doesn't infringe on rights and its an extra tool.
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    Re: Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear a School-Issued RFID Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Money is truly wasted in ways that most people don't know and this would be money well spent.

    Fighting is not for everybody. It just isn't.

    I have had my two daughter in jiu-jitsu for almost two years now. Ages 7 and 9 now. My youngest beats all of the boys.

    You think it "crosses a line" but that is just your opinion. Many don't. Open and flexible leads to students pulling fire alarms, smoking, vandalism, bullying, drug deals, gambeling, fighting, starting fires in bathrooms, graffiti, ditching class and leaving campus, etc.

    Keep thinking what you will...
    You think open and flexible automatically means negativity?

    The problem seems to be that people automatically think these horrendous things will happen, but that may not be true. Strict and confining schools feed rebellious attitudes. If schools would instead concentrate on educating students instead of controlling them...perhaps we could find a solution
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