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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The atheists knew what they were doing. Theirs wasn't a message of good will, or of giving, but one of intolerance. Again, I am not saying that the vandals are excusable, but I am not letting the atheists off the hook.
    Setting aside for a moment that you are simply making assertions about their intent...

    On what planet do they owe you any specific intent?!?

    You don't need to let the atheists "off the hook," because they were never ON it in the first place.

    There's no obligation -- legal or moral or ethical -- for anyone to make some kind of "matching" message to "promote the season," GOT IT?

    All of your nonsense about presuming intent, assuming intent, or even coming up with a perfectly reasonable and substantive analysis of intent is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, because they don't owe you any kind of obedience or compliance.

    Got it? YOU ARE NOT OWED ANYTHING BY THEM.

    Also, to be absolutely clear:

    No longer enjoying the unearned PRIVILEGE of unchecked social dominance in a public space...is NOT a case of being victimized.

    Much as with white nationalist narratives of U.S. history no longer enjoying unchallenged over-representation in classrooms, the mere presence of countering information and other views is not an infringement. So too with the (no-longer-unchecked) privilege of those pushing a religious display in a public park.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Yo theists - you're not affected by an atheist display. You're not involved or affected. Why vandalize it?
    WSWJV? Which signs would Jesus vandalize?


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    The people in that area had a 60 year old tradition of celebrating a holiday in one park during one small time of the year.
    Damon Vix, who stepped in on it and "organized" the other atheists was just being a dick. Plain and simple. Does he have a right to be a dick. Yes he does, also plain and simple. Did he have to step in on a tradition that families have been passing down to their children every year for the past 60 years, no absolutely not, he could have just as easily have picked another time of the year or another park when/where people weren't trying to celebrate with their loved ones and if he did that than he would also be exercising his freedom of expression without being a dick.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yes, and we could choose now as the moment to go on record to oppose the romney candidacy for president in the 2012 election. but what would be the point of it?
    Wrong post?
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Wrong post?
    pointing out that the timing of one's opposition is actually important
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    pointing out that the timing of one's opposition is actually important
    Opposition? Atheists don't believe in God(s), it doesn't really make them the opposition...

    I'm a fan of calling things what they are. Stepping in on a long standing community tradition that isn't hurting anyone but rather bringing together families is unnecessary and cruel, there's no point to it. The man was being a dick.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Setting aside for a moment that you are simply making assertions about their intent...

    On what planet do they owe you any specific intent?!?

    You don't need to let the atheists "off the hook," because they were never ON it in the first place.

    There's no obligation -- legal or moral or ethical -- for anyone to make some kind of "matching" message to "promote the season," GOT IT?

    All of your nonsense about presuming intent, assuming intent, or even coming up with a perfectly reasonable and substantive analysis of intent is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, because they don't owe you any kind of obedience or compliance.

    Got it? YOU ARE NOT OWED ANYTHING BY THEM.

    Also, to be absolutely clear:

    No longer enjoying the unearned PRIVILEGE of unchecked social dominance in a public space...is NOT a case of being victimized.

    Much as with white nationalist narratives of U.S. history no longer enjoying unchallenged over-representation in classrooms, the mere presence of countering information and other views is not an infringement. So too with the (no-longer-unchecked) privilege of those pushing a religious display in a public park.
    Damn them Christians for their want of spreading the joy of the season! You're right, the atheists there don't owe me anything, but when you are trying to present a message, when and how you do that affects the message.
    You can pretend like you don't know the intent, but it is loud and clear. They were probably besides themselves with glee when their displays were vandalized. hell, i wouldn't put it past them to vandalize their own displays.
    This was a pathetic display by the atheists and has done nothing but harm the families who enjoyed going to that park and filling themselves with Christmas cheer. Way to go atheists!
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Damn them Christians for their want of spreading the joy of the season! You're right, the atheists there don't owe me anything, but when you are trying to present a message, when and how you do that affects the message.
    You can pretend like you don't know the intent, but it is loud and clear. They were probably besides themselves with glee when their displays were vandalized. hell, i wouldn't put it past them to vandalize their own displays.
    This was a pathetic display by the atheists and has done nothing but harm the families who enjoyed going to that park and filling themselves with Christmas cheer. Way to go atheists!
    You have any proof or is it that your supposition and assumption are the only ones allowed?
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's true. But it also means there will be dicks. Can't vandalize on that premise.

    And I wouldn't argue against you on that.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You have any proof or is it that your supposition and assumption are the only ones allowed?

    It is my assumption that they were doing it because they dicks. Others think they were doing it to spread their message. Difference of opinion, that's how arguments get started.
    Hail to the King baby!

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