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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    rather than being dismissed I think they are just being ignored.

    Great, You don't believe in God, Jesus, Christianity, etc. Who really cares? Just don't bother getting involved.

    Why not let others enjoy the season without juvenile interference.

    But why should the government involve itself in saying "It's OK to celebrate this religious holiday, but not others?" The First Amendment does not require the government to build your church or give you a soapbox from which you can express your views.

    I'm sure that the church has a front lawn they can display their nativity scene on, or at least one of the congregants does. Same is true of the atheists. Why does it have to be a public park?


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I and others do enjoy the season, but we don't need others, aka pushy Christians (which is meant to include only those Christians who are pushy about this particular subject), to tell us why we should celebrate the season. I celebrate for my reasons and they are just as important as anyone elses.
    Then go ahead and celebrate in your way and let others celebrate in theirs. I see "pushy" atheists rather than pushy Christians in this case. A tradition of 50 years is being lost because some poor atheists are offended. It's time they got a life.

    In the city where I'm living at the moment there are Hindu festivals and Muslim festivals, as well as several others. Would these atheists try to break them up as well? I doubt they would have the balls. Nor would civilized people break up a Gay Pride parade or any number of rallies we allow in order that everyone get along.

    This pettiness, the looking to be "offended" is just petty people trying to gain some fleeting importance and media attention they wouldn't otherwise have. They are a blister on society's backside and should be ridiculed at every opportunity. And they supply many opportunities.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

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    Then go ahead and celebrate in your way and let others celebrate in theirs. I see "pushy" atheists rather than pushy Christians in this case. A tradition of 50 years is being lost because some poor atheists are offended. It's time they got a life.

    In the city where I'm living at the moment there are Hindu festivals and Muslim festivals, as well as several others. Would these atheists try to break them up as well? I doubt they would have the balls. Nor would civilized people break up a Gay Pride parade or any number of rallies we allow in order that everyone get along.

    This pettiness, the looking to be "offended" is just petty people trying to gain some fleeting importance and media attention they wouldn't otherwise have. They are a blister on society's backside and should be ridiculed at every opportunity. And they supply many opportunities.
    How many nativity scenes were vandalized?

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But why should the government involve itself in saying "It's OK to celebrate this religious holiday, but not others?" The First Amendment does not require the government to build your church or give you a soapbox from which you can express your views.

    I'm sure that the church has a front lawn they can display their nativity scene on, or at least one of the congregants does. Same is true of the atheists. Why does it have to be a public park?
    Public facilities are being used all the time for a variety of interests and functions but this time it is Christians, along with millions of others who actually enjoy this time pof the year who aren;t Christians.

    Pushy Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Gays, Blacks, etc, have always been a problem for the closed minded who walk among us and will always find a way pick on an easy target.

    This cowardly lot would never try the same thing with Muslims.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    How many nativity scenes were vandalized?
    Is this your argument?

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is this your argument?

    As far as who is being pushy? Yes.

    The Holidays are celebrated by much more than Christians.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    I don't see what the problem is with these ****ing atheists. I am an agnostic atheist and I could care less. I think that nativity scenes and Christmas is fun and doesn't need to have anything to do with religion. It is about expressing love and kindness to people and surely atheists are capable of this too. Zealous atheists are such assholes. Find something better to do.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Public facilities are being used all the time for a variety of interests and functions but this time it is Christians, along with millions of others who actually enjoy this time pof the year who aren;t Christians.

    Pushy Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Gays, Blacks, etc, have always been a problem for the closed minded who walk among us and will always find a way pick on an easy target.

    This cowardly lot would never try the same thing with Muslims.
    Ah, playing the Muslim card. I also wouldn't walk into an NFL locker room and spout off racist rants...there's a difference between cowardly and stupid.

    The "target" of vandalism was the atheist displays. Not the Nativity scenes. Whoever the child was that vandalized those ruined it for everyone. Not the atheists who put up the signs.


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Emphasis mine. I see where you're coming from, but unfortunately as far as the bolded portion goes you're not correct. Life would ultimately be much more simple if you were correct.
    The problem is, the passage in question, Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads", is very clear. If X then Y. There's no question what the passage means, nor can Christians simply pretend Leviticus doesn't apply anymore, Jesus supposedly said in Matthew 5:18 "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

    So why aren't more Christians out killing gays left and right? Because Christianity and other religious have been moderated by secular society in the western world, they are not allowed to get away with what their holy book calls for so they've changed their beliefs to reflect their inability to do what the Bible calls for.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is this your argument?
    In other words, none.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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