Page 53 of 62 FirstFirst ... 3435152535455 ... LastLast
Results 521 to 530 of 611

Thread: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

  1. #521
    versus the world
    Surtr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    The greatest planet in the world.
    Last Seen
    06-10-14 @ 03:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    7,017

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court



    Just so I get this right, these churches are suing the government claiming their rights to freedom of speech were violated because the government wouldn't provide them a soapbox and place in the park?

    Found this gem lower down...



    So the city ended the practice because the religulous were vandalizing the other displays.
    This comes off more as people finding something to get mad about. Pretty sure there are a few hundred thousand things for the court to look at that are infinitely more important than another stupid pissing match between the Atheists and the Christians.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

  2. #522
    King Of The Dog Pound
    Black Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    South Florida
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    34,547

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It would exist. It may have been called something else, such as "winter solstice" or "saturnalia" or something else, but it likely would have existed as a celebration within that time period because it existed before Jesus.
    You don't know that it would exist at all. You are trying to use speculation or a guess vs a well known fact. Sorry does not float. Just because something could or mite have the possibility of happening does not change the fact of what it already is today, or where it came from, period.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

  3. #523
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are plenty who take the fun out of Christmas, atheists, Christians, other faiths.
    There are plenty of people who just suck the joy out of life and we can see them in traffic, supermarket line-ups and most everywhere we look. But we learn to ignore them, or we try.

    Christmas is fun, it's time for people to become human through a long held traditions of giving and sharing. There are too many grinches at Christmas, just as there are in our daily lives.

    A pox on all of them.

  4. #524
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Native Americans were part of the US. And there were groups in the US that were not Christian, even when the US became a country. No matter how small they were, they still mattered. Just because they believed something different than the majority, does not mean their views on why to celebrate the season (or not) should be dismissed.
    rather than being dismissed I think they are just being ignored.

    Great, You don't believe in God, Jesus, Christianity, etc. Who really cares? Just don't bother getting involved.

    Why not let others enjoy the season without juvenile interference.

  5. #525
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Oh no worries. Instead of the "War on Christmas" it's morphed into a "War on atheists".
    There was a war on Halloween too. There are joy killers everywhere.

  6. #526
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29,023

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    rather than being dismissed I think they are just being ignored.

    Great, You don't believe in God, Jesus, Christianity, etc. Who really cares? Just don't bother getting involved.

    Why not let others enjoy the season without juvenile interference.
    I and others do enjoy the season, but we don't need others, aka pushy Christians (which is meant to include only those Christians who are pushy about this particular subject), to tell us why we should celebrate the season. I celebrate for my reasons and they are just as important as anyone elses.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  7. #527
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29,023

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You don't know that it would exist at all. You are trying to use speculation or a guess vs a well known fact. Sorry does not float. Just because something could or mite have the possibility of happening does not change the fact of what it already is today, or where it came from, period.
    It is a fact that there are still people who celebrate the holiday season for those reasons. You can even include Hanukkah in there. So yes, that shows that the most likely conclusion is that we would still be celebrating this season for other reasons if Christmas never came along.

    Your statement was

    Without Christians and in the end a Jesus, no Christmas holiday would exists, period.
    You would be wrong. Although it likely would not be called "Christmas", the season itself would still most likely exist and people would still almost certainly be celebrating something during that season.

    And Christmas, at least many of the traditions associated with it, came from earlier celebrations of the season. They were added altogether.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  8. #528
    King Of The Dog Pound
    Black Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    South Florida
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    34,547

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a fact that there are still people who celebrate the holiday season for those reasons. You can even include Hanukkah in there. So yes, that shows that the most likely conclusion is that we would still be celebrating this season for other reasons if Christmas never came along.
    "Most likely" is not fact and as I said just a guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your statement was

    You would be wrong. Although it likely would not be called "Christmas", the season itself would still most likely exist and people would still almost certainly be celebrating something during that season.

    And Christmas, at least many of the traditions associated with it, came from earlier celebrations of the season. They were added altogether.
    Again it is nothing but speculation on your part a guess. So no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

  9. #529
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    29,023

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "Most likely" is not fact and as I said just a guess.

    Again it is nothing but speculation on your part a guess. So no.
    You made the very first speculation in this conversation, saying that without Jesus, there would be no Christmas holiday. We weren't talking about the specific holiday of Christmas, we were talking about the season and celebrations within that season. You cannot know that there would be no celebrations within this season without Jesus.

    You can't even know for sure that there would be no Christmas, since "Christ" is actually a part of his title and so therefore could have easily been given to someone else had Jesus not existed.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  10. #530
    Professor
    Monserrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    04-29-14 @ 11:53 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,497

    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There was a war on Halloween too. There are joy killers everywhere.
    I know!

    It's depressing.
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

Page 53 of 62 FirstFirst ... 3435152535455 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •