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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Oh no worries. Instead of the "War on Christmas" it's morphed into a "War on atheists".

    So atheists are the only ones who don't believe in Jesus Christ?
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again has nothing to do with anything. Nice dodge though.
    It has plenty to do with stuff. Not everybody believes as you do to day nor yesterday nor even in ancient Rome. BTW you mentioned Rome first.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again please point out how this fits into what I was saying or the point I was making in any way? It doesn't, it has nothing to do with it at all.
    Then what point were you trying to make? You obviously didn't make it very well if others are answering with something not remotely related to it.

    From your first posts about this, you have been talking about how the majority of the people believed in the US that Jesus was the "reason for the season". Although true, that doesn't mean that they have exclusive right to the season or the reason for it. And we do not live in the history of the US. We live in the US now. It is insulting to try to say "Jesus is the reason for the season" for those who have other beliefs about the importance of this season. It is a matter of trying to make one reason for the season to be more important than all the others to the point that any other reason is just ignored altogether. That is insulting.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So atheists are the only ones who don't believe in Jesus Christ?
    Where do you get that from?
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then what point were you trying to make? You obviously didn't make it very well if others are answering with something not remotely related to it.
    No it was clear (at least in regards to the earlier posts). I think sometimes people get a little over enthusiastic and read things that just aren't there.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It has plenty to do with stuff. Not everybody believes as you do to day nor yesterday nor even in ancient Rome. BTW you mentioned Rome first.
    We were talking about the roots of the holiday. Not hard to understand is it?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then what point were you trying to make? You obviously didn't make it very well if others are answering with something not remotely related to it.

    From your first posts about this, you have been talking about how the majority of the people believed in the US that Jesus was the "reason for the season". Although true, that doesn't mean that they have exclusive right to the season or the reason for it. And we do not live in the history of the US. We live in the US now. It is insulting to try to say "Jesus is the reason for the season" for those who have other beliefs about the importance of this season. It is a matter of trying to make one reason for the season to be more important than all the others to the point that any other reason is just ignored altogether. That is insulting.
    That is exactly what I was saying. So I guess you had no problem understanding after all? It is historically accurate so no reason to be insulted. It would be like me being insulted by a menorah etc during Hanuka. Or if someone held a sign that said God is the reason for Hanuka. Why would I be insulted by that? That would be silly as it is historically accurate. You and the others are trying to compare a factual statement vs calling someones religion a fantasy.

    No comparison, none. All the rest of the ramblings about native Americans and other such nonsense are just that as it is irrelevant.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is exactly what I was saying. So I guess you had no problem understanding after all? It is historically accurate so no reason to be insulted. It would be like me being insulted by a menorah etc during Hanuka. Or if someone held a sign that said God is the reason for Hanuka. Why would I be insulted by that? That would be silly as it is historically accurate. You and the others are trying to compare a factual statement vs calling someones religion a fantasy.

    No comparison, none. All the rest of the ramblings about native Americans and other such nonsense are just that as it is irrelevant.
    And you still don't understand. There are other reasons for the season even if the majority thinks that Jesus is the only reason for it. The majority is simply wrong. Jesus is not the only reason for the season. Jesus wasn't even the initial reason for it. So it is an insult to all those who see other reasons because it excludes their reasons or at least discounts them as "unimportant" eventhough those reasons are important to those who have them, such as myself.

    You are still trying to claim that it can't be insulting because a majority believes a certain way, even if the majority is wrong, and they are. Jesus is not the only reason for the season, and that is a fact. And to many, even if still a minority, Jesus is not the reason for the season.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is exactly what I was saying. So I guess you had no problem understanding after all? It is historically accurate so no reason to be insulted. It would be like me being insulted by a menorah etc during Hanuka. Or if someone held a sign that said God is the reason for Hanuka. Why would I be insulted by that? That would be silly as it is historically accurate. You and the others are trying to compare a factual statement vs calling someones religion a fantasy.

    No comparison, none. All the rest of the ramblings about native Americans and other such nonsense are just that as it is irrelevant.

    Being in the majority is really inconsequential in regards to these dioramas and signs seeing that we all have rights to freedom of expression. And this was on PUBLIC property.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you still don't understand. There are other reasons for the season even if the majority thinks that Jesus is the only reason for it. The majority is simply wrong. Jesus is not the only reason for the season. Jesus wasn't even the initial reason for it. So it is an insult to all those who see other reasons because it excludes their reasons or at least discounts them as "unimportant" eventhough those reasons are important to those who have them, such as myself.

    You are still trying to claim that it can't be insulting because a majority believes a certain way, even if the majority is wrong, and they are. Jesus is not the only reason for the season, and that is a fact. And to many, even if still a minority, Jesus is not the reason for the season.
    You can't reasonably expect devout believers to examine history with any kind of academic accuracy. Religion is based on a distortion of history to fit a specific narrative. That narrative usually putting believers at the very top of a social hierarchy which can be simplified as 'religious > non-religious'. This assertion can proven simply by looking at the constant references to 'chosen people', 'chosen tribes' or simply 'chosen men' who brought the word of a supernatural force down for the rest of us. If you demonstrate the errors in religion, the religious are forced to admit that they are just like the rest of us. I don't blame them. To be honest, what fun is it to admit that you're just another human being without a supernatural purpose? It's a lot more emotionally satisfying to go throughout your life believing that if you do certain things in life you'll be rewarded when you die.
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