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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It has nothing to do with "natives" that were not part of the continental US citizenry. You are now way of course and it has nothing to do historically or factually with my point or post.
    Then what was your point?

    It seemed as if you were trying to say that native Americans long ago were Christians. They weren't. Even those who chose to be citizens weren't necessarily Christians. The point originally made was that not everyone was Christian or believed the "reason for the season" was Jesus. This would include some native Americans and other groups. Even if they did only account for a small percentage of people, their beliefs still matter.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    means nothing, we do not have majority rule in the USA....
    This literally has nothing to do with what we were talking about.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Just because something is "tradition" doesn't give it exclusive right to public property.
    Quite right, and doubt anyone is making that claim.

    I am not a Christian but still enjoy the spirit of the season, the friendliness of the people, the buying and giving of gifts, the joy in children's eyes, even the carols.

    Atheists are really a drag! Why should Christians have all the fun?

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The native Americans were "converted" when the settlers got here. It was basically convert for food/clothing/necessities or struggle and die off. Many native Americans I know either still believe their old ways or have gone back to the old ways. They are starting to go back to their own beliefs. Even in Hawaii, there are a lot of young native Hawaiians who have rejected Christianity that their parents taught them and who have gone back to worshiping the old Hawaiian gods. I had a boss who was in this situation while I was there.
    Yes, we setup schools to convert them.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then what was your point?

    It seemed as if you were trying to say that native Americans long ago were Christians. They weren't. Even those who chose to be citizens weren't necessarily Christians. The point originally made was that not everyone was Christian or believed the "reason for the season" was Jesus. This would include some native Americans and other groups. Even if they did only account for a small percentage of people, their beliefs still matter.
    Are you people even reading at this point? We were talking about back in history, the history of the US, not the continent of the America's. We were talking about the roots of Jesus and Christmas.

    I weep for the future.

    You people, yes all of you. Are taking a few words out of context and trying to make a point that is completely irrelevant and in the long run stupid, as it has nothing to do with anything I said or was pointing out.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Oh great. Thanksgiving is over and I forgot it's time for the bull**** "War on Christmas" crusader rants.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Quite right, and doubt anyone is making that claim.

    I am not a Christian but still enjoy the spirit of the season, the friendliness of the people, the buying and giving of gifts, the joy in children's eyes, even the carols.

    Atheists are really a drag! Why should Christians have all the fun?
    There are plenty who take the fun out of Christmas, atheists, Christians, other faiths. I've known plenty of Christians who would have a cow if people didn't believe Jesus was the most important part of the season. I know people who consider it wrong to teach kids about Santa (lots of all types). I know people who question why some do certain things for Christmas, whether it is a tradition for them or something they just want to try out.

    I love Christmas. It is a wonderful time of year, but I don't consider it necessary to be told "reminded" all the time about why others celebrate the season. I love the messages of love and hope and giving. I don't like the messages of exclusivity or disdain or absolutism or mockery, but I also don't see that it is my place to complain as long as everyone is being treated the same in being able to put those or other messages out or not.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Are you people even reading at this point? We were talking about back in history, the history of the US, not the continent of the America's. We were talking about the roots of Jesus and Christmas.

    I weep for the future.

    You people, yes all of you. Are taking a few words out of context and trying to make a point that is completely irrelevant and in the long run stupid, as it has nothing to do with anything I said or was pointing out.
    Native Americans were part of the US. And there were groups in the US that were not Christian, even when the US became a country. No matter how small they were, they still mattered. Just because they believed something different than the majority, does not mean their views on why to celebrate the season (or not) should be dismissed.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Oh great. Thanksgiving is over and I forgot it's time for the bull**** "War on Christmas" crusader rants.
    Oh no worries. Instead of the "War on Christmas" it's morphed into a "War on atheists".
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Native Americans were part of the US. And there were groups in the US that were not Christian, even when the US became a country. No matter how small they were, they still mattered. Just because they believed something different than the majority, does not mean their views on why to celebrate the season (or not) should be dismissed.
    Again please point out how this fits into what I was saying or the point I was making in any way? It doesn't, it has nothing to do with it at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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