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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

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    Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court



    Just so I get this right, these churches are suing the government claiming their rights to freedom of speech were violated because the government wouldn't provide them a soapbox and place in the park?

    Found this gem lower down...



    So the city ended the practice because the religulous were vandalizing the other displays.
    They shouldn't waste their time or money on this since they have no case.

    Damon Vix is obviously an asshole for stepping in on and trying to ruin their tradition but you can't do anything about that.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    So here is an image of the atheists diorama:

    121119-atheist-damon-vix-hmed-630a.photoblog600.jpg

    I have no problem with it. They are just expressing their opinion like the Christians are.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Prove it was a theist.

    I am not saying that the atheists were legally wrong, but morally they are.
    This is messed up. The most likely answer is that it was vandalized for its message and that would mean theists. Regardless, it is that act of vandalism that shut this down, not atheists voicing an opinion. For chuck's sake.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Oh and:

    Judge denies bid for nativity scene in California town

    Judge denies bid for nativity scene in California town - Chicago Tribune

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Freedom of.expression. This isn't hard. Theists as well as atheists have it. Just be cause atheists voice their beliefs does not mean others may encroach. And that is 100% what's going on here.
    This isn't about freedom of expression. It goes beyond that. You have a Happy Solstice sign, and the rest don't do anything to promote the season. They are just there to be a nuisance. What's next, going around telling children that Santa isn't real? I am all about people expressing themselves, but when you're a dick about it, it just hurts your message.

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Well, let's take a look at those hateful displays.

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    A quote from Jefferson and Kennedy and wishing people a happy solstice. Now the last one was a little in your face but it still is just expressing an opinion about myths. There's no constitutional right against being offended.
    I believe I avoided using the word hate because I don't think it is hateful. I think it is a disgusting time for the message. Just like when I see anti-abortion protestors outside an abortion clinic.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is messed up. The most likely answer is that it was vandalized for its message and that would mean theists. Regardless, it is that act of vandalism that shut this down, not atheists voicing an opinion. For chuck's sake.

    I am not arguing about what it was shut down. My argument is about the timing of the message. I completely understand why the city shut it down, but to put all of the blame on the vandalism is wrong.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Even as a person who believes in God, I don't want the government involved one way or the other. Just take down the whole barn, sell the nativity scene to a church and be done with it. If need be, put up a sign for a short while that says "The Government of the City of (Insert Name Here) neither endorses nor disparages either side in the question of the existence of a divine presence. Please carry on believing or not believing as you like."


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    This isn't about freedom of expression. It goes beyond that. You have a Happy Solstice sign, and the rest don't do anything to promote the season. They are just there to be a nuisance. What's next, going around telling children that Santa isn't real? I am all about people expressing themselves, but when you're a dick about it, it just hurts your message.


    I believe Ioh for chuck's sake this is exactly freedom of expression. Door goes both ways. Freedom has consequences, get used to it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    There is no denying that atheists cannot stand for others to have the faith in God that the atheists lack. Actually, it's far beyond that, atheists are enraged that others have faith. Atheists are always on the attack.

    Why would that be? Why wouldn't atheists simply mind their own business and keep their lack of beliefs to themselves and not worry about what others believe? Contrary to their constant braying, atheists are not inconvenienced by the fact that others display their faith. Often their mantra is separation of church and state or some other such terrible event that will happen if others are allowed to have faith in God.

    Atheists are truly pitiful, doomed creatures with nothing of substance to offer civilized society. The rest of us thank God that we are not in those circumstances.
    That's a rather broad brush you are painting a rather bigoted portrait with.
    Now that's not saying that there aren't some atheists who are as you say.But can you prove that ALL think and are the same way?

    May I point out that the statement you made,"Atheists are truly pitiful, doomed creatures with nothing of substance to offer civilized society. The rest of us thank God that we are not in those circumstances." is actually just your opinion,and there is no evidence to suggest that you have been empowered by religious people throughout this planet to be their official spokesperson.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Damon Vix, an atheist who led the non-believers' cause but is not a party to the lawsuit, has denied he was seeking to drive the church displays out of the park. He said in a local radio interview last year that his aim "was to try to create what is called equal protection under the law."
    This is my point. They weren't there to spread a message about the season. They just wanted to upstage the nativity scenes. It's pathetic.
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