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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that culture, traditions, and the joy of Christmas,which a message to atheists and all religions alike, must be muted because some atheists are offended.

    It will be a meaner joyless world we'll live in when atheists, "the fastest growing segment of the population" , get their way.
    No, it's just a matter that the Christians have been allowed to run rampant over everyone else and are now being reined in and expected to act like a part of society instead of the whole of society. Putting religion back in the churches where it belongs is a great triumph.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    What I am saying is that using a seasonal christmas display as a time to spout your anti-religious views is in bad taste. Its like standing next to a mall santa and telling the children that he isn't real. Why not put up season greetings messages? Why did that have to go with "religion is a myth"?
    If one's message is that seasonal Christmas displays and indeed, religious displays at all, on public property, are a bad idea, how could it be bad taste or bad timing?

    And adults ought to realize that God is a fantasy. We wouldn't put up with adults still believing in Santa Claus, it's absurd that adults still believe in God.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If one's message is that seasonal Christmas displays and indeed, religious displays at all, on public property, are a bad idea, how could it be bad taste or bad timing?

    And adults ought to realize that God is a fantasy. We wouldn't put up with adults still believing in Santa Claus, it's absurd that adults still believe in God.
    Well, if an adult wanted to believe in SC, that would be his decision.

    Just don't ask me to pay for it or provide your soapbox so you can spread Santa belief in the local park.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    That's insane. It's like saying don't judge Hitler by the Gestapo.
    No. Whats ridicules is your analogy. I will give you +1 for being the first to bring Godwin's law to bear.

    The "Gestapo" was a para military secret police org for Nazi Germany controlled by Hitler and his underlings. So you are saying Christians etc are the equivalent of a para military secret police org controlled by God? I know some Nuns who will be surprised with rifle training tomorrow. And you say my statement is insane, lol. You need to step back and take a breath.

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    For atheists, humanists and agnostics who may not believe in the Christian God, who believe the scriptures were written by men, all they have to go by is "the fan club".
    Everyone believes the scriptures were written by men. Not just atheists, humanists and agnostics who may not believe in the Christian God. The literal finger of God did not come down out of heaven and write the Bible. The Bible is many different books written by many different men and in some cases women. So what that has to do with my comment is meaningless. If you don't want to judge God by Christian beliefs, don't. People see God differently, but again you can't judge him by his very human followers.

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    For all practical purposes, your statement is ridiculous.
    I think I have shown who's statement is a giant fallacy at best.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    On another forum I spent weeks debating with some devout catholics over priestly pedophilia. They insisted it didn't exist and all the accusers were money grubbing gold diggers.

    Once you accept the gigantic, vengeful stay puft marshmallow man in the sky, all other cognitive dissonance and insanities become easier to swallow.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it's just a matter that the Christians have been allowed to run rampant over everyone else and are now being reined in and expected to act like a part of society instead of the whole of society. Putting religion back in the churches where it belongs is a great triumph.
    Christians have been running rampant over everyone? I hadn't noticed.

    When people celebrate Christmas they are not necessarily celebrating Christianity, though Christianity has had a very powerful and positive influence on western cultures.

    Instead it celebrates Peace, Charity and Good Will towards our fellow man.

    Until atheists come up with an alternative to that idea I think I'll continue to celebrate Christmas along with all the other people who, Christian and non-Christian alike, share that sentiment.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. Whats ridicules is your analogy. I will give you +1 for being the first to bring Godwin's law to bear.

    The "Gestapo" was a para military secret police org. for Nazi Germany controlled by Hitler and his underlings. So you are saying Christians etc are the equivalent of a para military secret police org controlled by God? I know some Nuns who will be surprised with rifle training tomorrow. And you say my statement is insane, lol. You need to step back and take a breath.



    Everyone believes the scriptures were written by men. Not just atheists, humanists and agnostics who may not believe in the Christian God. The literal finger of God did not come down out of heaven and write the Bible. The Bible is many different books written by many different men and in some cases women. So what that has to do with my comment is meaningless. If you don't want to judge God by Christian beliefs, don't. People see God differently, but again you can't judge him by his very human followers.



    I think I have shown who's statement is a giant fallacy at best.
    What I find awe inspiring is your attempt to divorce the actions of millions of Jesus's followers not to mention popes, bishops, priests, ministers, etc. from the god they serve. I have to say I have never seen this position taken by any Christian I have ever known or conversed with online.

    As for the bolded portion above I don't know if you're ignorant or just being cheeky. I'm going to guess 95% of christians believe the bible is the inspired word of god.

    "If you don't want to judge God by Christian beliefs, don't."

    And this phrase is simply incomprehensible. So at this point I have to believe you're either pulling my leg or drinking. I don't care what they believe per se, it's how they act on those beliefs that matter.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Christians have been running rampant over everyone? I hadn't noticed.

    When people celebrate Christmas they are not necessarily celebrating Christianity, though Christianity has had a very powerful and positive influence on western cultures.

    Instead it celebrates Peace, Charity and Good Will towards our fellow man.

    Until atheists come up with an alternative to that idea I think I'll continue to celebrate Christmas along with all the other people who, Christian and non-Christian alike, share that sentiment.
    So atheist are barred from wishing people Peace, Goodwill, Charity?

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So atheist are barred from wishing people Peace, Goodwill, Charity?
    Can you point out where I said that?

    Apparently you never even got to the last sentence before you decided to respond.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So atheist are barred from wishing people Peace, Goodwill, Charity?

    You liberals just don't get it.

    Banning you from wishing people peace is the Christian thing to do.

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