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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If its just sitting there...and no one is hawking me to go to church or convert...NO it doesnt bother me...doesnt bother me like watching a group of atheists stand around a statue of satan..as long as they dont hawk me..........I just walk right past both of them and pay them no mind
    This was kind of an interesting statement...

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    It seems to me that the touchdown got called back for an illegal play and in the process the Christians lost 15 yards
    Oh, right. The refs are calling a penalty for vandalism. Score is still zero to zero, but the Christians have the ball on 15 yard line now. The game is getting exciting now. Do you know who you're rooting for?
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Just so I get this right, these churches are suing the government claiming their rights to freedom of speech were violated because the government wouldn't provide them a soapbox and place in the park?
    They are claiming that their right to speech supersedes everyone else's and that a fair lottery which doesn't award them control of all of the spots is somehow wrong.

    So the city ended the practice because the religulous were vandalizing the other displays.
    That about sums it up.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    These atheist are what give us a bad name. You can't stand to see a nativity scene? Really? You going to get Christmas banned altogether? The whole holiday is based on pagan foundations, so to fight any part of the holiday is to effectively fight the entire holiday. It's silly, it's petty, and it's not what any decent atheist would/should do. Pathetic.
    Actually, today the whole holiday is secular, it's about Santa Claus and decorating trees and giving presents, with reindeer with glowing noses and snowmen and elves making toys. There's no religion in that whatsoever. If the religious want to have a ceremony in their churches, go for it. If they want to decorate their homes, fine by me. Governments are secular, there's no secular purpose to using tax money to support religious displays on public property.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I'm not abdicating blame of those who vandalized the signs. But don't think that the atheists didn't know what they were doing.
    What makes you think that they didn't know what they were doing? Seems to me that they achieved their goals just fine.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Explain that to the children who don't get to enjoy the nativity scenes down at the park anymore.
    Or to the atheist children who don't have to be beaten over the head with the prevalence of religious displays everywhere you look. After all, non-religion is the fastest growing segment of the population.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I am not arguing about what it was shut down. My argument is about the timing of the message. I completely understand why the city shut it down, but to put all of the blame on the vandalism is wrong.
    How would there be any other timing? For one thing, this is the time of year that the city set up the displays, it makes no sense for them to put in for a display any other time of year. For another, they were criticizing the long-running, virtually wholly-Christian displays that had been put up for 40 years, what's the point of putting up a display in the middle of summer saying "remember those displays during Christmas?"

    What you're really saying is that nobody ought to criticize religion and that religion ought to be given extra rights.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How would there be any other timing? For one thing, this is the time of year that the city set up the displays, it makes no sense for them to put in for a display any other time of year. For another, they were criticizing the long-running, virtually wholly-Christian displays that had been put up for 40 years, what's the point of putting up a display in the middle of summer saying "remember those displays during Christmas?"

    What you're really saying is that nobody ought to criticize religion and that religion ought to be given extra rights.

    Try again.
    It seems that culture, traditions, and the joy of Christmas,which a message to atheists and all religions alike, must be muted because some atheists are offended.

    It will be a meaner joyless world we'll live in when atheists, "the fastest growing segment of the population" , get their way.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that culture, traditions, and the joy of Christmas,which a message to atheists and all religions alike, must be muted because some atheists are offended.

    It will be a meaner joyless world we'll live in when atheists, "the fastest growing segment of the population" , get their way.
    If you read the article, you'll find that the display that was vandalized was the atheists' display. Without making accusations as to who did it, maybe their message is the one that somebody thought should be muted because they were offended.

    Maybe we'd be better off if the government did what they did and just didn't do the displays anymore. Rather than getting involved in religious battles.


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If its just sitting there...and no one is hawking me to go to church or convert...NO it doesnt bother me...doesnt bother me like watching a group of atheists stand around a statue of satan..as long as they dont hawk me..........I just walk right past both of them and pay them no mind
    Why would atheists worship Satan? Seems to me that would more likely be Satanists.


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