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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Im not an overly religious person...I dont go to church and I dont push religion on anyone else...I find atheists repugnant...and I find them so because they try to force what they want down everyones throat while whining incessantly that religion is doing it to them...you dont like nativity scenes...then dont friggin look at them..

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

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    But it's not up to you to force or decide what they do if they have the freedom and legality to do it.
    No one is advocating such nonsense.

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    Noone has a problem with saying some about it, but in this case, some people decided to vandalize instead.
    Yes some did. We don't know who.

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    Exercising freedom of speech to voice against someone elses freedom of speech is not the problem, the illegal activity of vandalizing is and the vandals are the SOLE REASON this was cancelled. No fault is with the atheists when what they did was legal.
    Again this does not excuse or change the fact the atheist was being a dick.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Guys, the point Blackdog and Zyphlin are trying to get across is simple. If a kid calls another kid a faggot, and the kid who got called a faggot decides to burn down the other kid's house, you can - through a lot of mental acrobatics - find a 'reason' to blame the mean kid. Ignore as much as you can that it takes sociopath-like behavior to have your beliefs questioned and react violently. Ignore that the forums used were open to the public. Ignore that vandalism in question is the only issue - you were mean and well, it's somehow your fault your house got burned down.

    What else can we use that kind of logic for?

    Dress seductively? It's 'part of the reason' you got raped.
    Buy a nice watch? It's 'part of the reason' you got robbed and murdered.
    Go to church? It's 'part of the reason' your kids got molested.
    Yea because someone spray painting a sign is the equivalent of burning down the atheists house.

    Fallacy and hyperbole, thanks for nothing.

    You did make one good point though. If the kid who called the other a faggot and got punched in the nose, that would be a reasonably expected consequence of freedom of speech. Not burning someones house down.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Some people become so enamoured of one particular viewpoint in regards to controversial matters they evidently don't bother to read a bit about the situation.

    AP article, 20 NOV 2012
    The coalition of churches that had put on the life-sized, 14-booth Nativity display for decades argued the city banned it rather than referee a religious dispute that began three years ago when atheists first set up their anti-God message alongside the Christmas diorama.

    The judge, however, said Santa Monica proved that it banned the displays not to squash religious speech but because they were becoming a drain on city resources, destroying the turf and obstructing ocean views. Churches can set up unattended displays at 12 other parks in the city with a permit and can leaflet, carol and otherwise present the Christmas story in Palisades Park when it is open, she said.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some people become so enamoured of one particular viewpoint in regards to controversial matters they evidently don't bother to read a bit about the situation.

    AP article, 20 NOV 2012
    I don't think that really has anything to do with what we have been discussing in the last oh 20 pages or so?

    We are talking about insulting signs being a dick move on the atheists part, and the counter is that it does not matter because it was freedom of speech.

    Most of us did indeed read the article.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't think that really has anything to do with what we have been discussing in the last oh 20 pages or so?

    We are talking about insulting signs being a dick move on the atheists part, and the counter is that it does not matter because it was freedom of speech.

    Most of us did indeed read the article.
    No, that's what YOU are talking about, no one else. Personally I'd like to pin a medal on the guy if for no other reason then the god fearin' tolerant christians might have found out where he lived and burned his house down.

    You know, since they can't burn him at the stake anymore. They have a thing for fire...they believe it has a cleansing nature.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    No, that's what YOU are talking about, no one else.
    And yet they are responding to me. Go figure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Personally I'd like to pin a medal on the guy if for no other reason then the god fearin' tolerant christians might have found out where he lived and burned his house down.

    You know, since they can't burn him at the stake anymore. They have a thing for fire...they believe it has a cleansing nature.
    More hyperbole, So that's all you got? Figures.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some people become so enamoured of one particular viewpoint in regards to controversial matters they evidently don't bother to read a bit about the situation.

    AP article, 20 NOV 2012
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Geez. Call someone a dick for being a dick and apparently that means we must be anti-free speech for atheists and any one with a different opinion

    Yea that makes a lot of sense.

    (That was sarcasm, just to be clear)
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im not an overly religious person...I dont go to church and I dont push religion on anyone else...I find atheists repugnant...and I find them so because they try to force what they want down everyones throat while whining incessantly that religion is doing it to them...you dont like nativity scenes...then dont friggin look at them..
    I'm not either.

    Atheists are cool in my book, except for the ones who are assholes to other people for no reason...same goes for everyone else out there. I'm a live and let live sort of person.
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