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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Get over yourself. Christians are not the only ones who would be offended by anti God signs. Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same God regardless of what they call Him. It all goes back to Abraham. There is nothing to be achieved by atheists posting these signs. They aren't going to change anybody's mind, they are just seeking attention, and they got it.
    there is nothing which says those Christians, jews and moslems have a right NOT to be offended
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Probably for the best. very liberal brains need to be kept safe from reality. Especially if that very liberal brain is of the american variety.
    Lol, what utter garbage. You stated that no drugs = drugs. Then went on some rant how an organized ideology = a religion. Failing to realize for the duration of that diatribe that the essence of a religion is a belief in some supernatural force. Which simply isn't present in atheism. Organization is not what makes a religion. It's belief in supernatural nonsense that makes it.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Get over yourself. Christians are not the only ones who would be offended by anti God signs. Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same God regardless of what they call Him. It all goes back to Abraham. There is nothing to be achieved by atheists posting these signs. They aren't going to change anybody's mind, they are just seeking attention, and they got it.
    Fine. They exercised their right to free speech. Why would Conservatives be bothered by that? I thought you guys were all about personal freedoms and such.

    Maybe it's a dick move. Still their right, and it still doesn't excuse their sign being vandalized, most likely by a "Christian," despite your claims that they did it themselves.

    Threads like this remind me of why I dislike the Republican Party. They talk all about their freedom of speech, then scream like a banshee when someone has a dissenting opinion.


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Nobody was banned, the City decided the only winning move was not to play.
    Which actually was the smartest move for them. Government should stay out of religion.


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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Probably for the best. very liberal brains need to be kept safe from reality. Especially if that very liberal brain is of the american variety.
    and reality is that drugs are the same as no drugs.

    "No, officer, that baggie is full of no drugs!"

    maybe reality is that conservative = not conservative as well. Come to think of it, I've read that very philosophy before somewhere.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and reality is that drugs are the same as no drugs.

    "No, officer, that baggie is full of no drugs!"

    maybe reality is that conservative = not conservative as well. Come to think of it, I've read that very philosophy before somewhere.
    I will simply not bother to reply to this if you don't have the common courtesy to view the entire scope of the discussion. I have simply replied to you here to give you the opportunity to view the significant part of the discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, what utter garbage. You stated that no drugs = drugs. Then went on some rant how an organized ideology = a religion. Failing to realize for the duration of that diatribe that the essence of a religion is a belief in some supernatural force. Which simply isn't present in atheism. Organization is not what makes a religion. It's belief in supernatural nonsense that makes it.
    This is what I stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, you are correct. No drugs =/= a different form of drug.

    But if you read carefully, you will see that the notion that I am bringing forth is the idea of organized atheism as an organized ideological group which will form its own "church" (gatherings, conferences ,etc) in order to promote itself to the population as an alternative to religions... much like other religions do. All it needs is the correct types of people in large enough numbers-> which it already has; the correct setting -> working on it, and the right charismatic, almost religious like atheist in his devotion to atheism figure to take the helms -> which it yet hasn't had, but there are many who can fill that spot. Still, many more to come. Give it 30-40years.
    =/= means NOT EQUAL. It doesn't mean EQUAL. I am also fluent in C, maybe you want me to use != . Hopefully that will be easier to understand.
    Also, I used the term "religion" to describe an organized ideology, and I stated that it is by that regard that I used it in that context. I don't claim that atheism has the trademark of your average religion. But this is a brave new world we are living in and definitions will change. It is however an ideology, and like all things out there, it is prone to militancy and manipulation. And I believe, as evidence points out, that in our lifetime, we will see an organized, religious-like movement, with doctrines and congregation places (like conferences, meetings, presentations, etc) of atheists, coming together to praise their atheism. Just like religious people do in their respective locations.

    And also, belief in a supernatural entity is not the basis of religion, it is the basis of theism. A religion can be based around anything that one develops a dogma around. Hence the phrase, brush your teeth religiously if you want to avoid tooth decay. If you substitute decay with Satan or Hell and replace brush your teeth with praying, you get a religious text .

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I will simply not bother to reply to this if you don't have the common courtesy to view the entire scope of the discussion. I have simply replied to you here to give you the opportunity to view the significant part of the discussion.



    This is what I stated:



    =/= means NOT EQUAL. It doesn't mean EQUAL. I am also fluent in C, maybe you want me to use != . Hopefully that will be easier to understand.
    Also, I used the term "religion" to describe an organized ideology, and I stated that it is by that regard that I used it in that context. I don't claim that atheism has the trademark of your average religion. But this is a brave new world we are living in and definitions will change. It is however an ideology, and like all things out there, it is prone to militancy and manipulation. And I believe, as evidence points out, that in our lifetime, we will see an organized, religious-like movement, with doctrines and congregation places (like conferences, meetings, presentations, etc) of atheists, coming together to praise their atheism. Just like religious people do in their respective locations.

    And also, belief in a supernatural entity is not the basis of religion, it is the basis of theism. A religion can be based around anything that one develops a dogma around. Hence the phrase, brush your teeth religiously if you want to avoid tooth decay. If you substitute decay with Satan or Hell and replace brush your teeth with praying, you get a religious text .
    OK, you're right. I was thrown off by this exchange:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    Gawd, not this ridiculous stance again. Hey, look - I don't do drugs. That means I really do drugs because well.... no drugs = drugs.
    No, you are correct. No drugs =/= a different form of drug.
    It was Hatuey who said "no drugs = drugs." When you said, "No, you are correct", I interpreted that as agreement.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol, cute. A Christian finding a way to blame both sides even though - nothing illegal, wrong, anti-constitutional etc was done by the atheists. No. It doesn't take two. Atheists didn't do anything other than what atheists normally do. Explain to people - 365 days of the year - that fairies and gods aren't real.
    I did not say anything was illegal, anti-constitutional etc was done by atheists. Nice try though. They were clearly wrong. Now no one can show or display anything because of dickheads who don't want good will and cheer. They want to further a political agenda fostered in hate. Your reply is a good example of such.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who got their feelings hurt? The zealots.
    Who committed a crime? The zealots.
    Who got the displays banned? The zealots.
    Who refused to accept that atheists have a right to tell ANYBODY of ANY religion that religion is illogical? The zealots.
    Who started it? The rest is all true, and now no one gets anything. It was moronic and there is no defense for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    But yes, putting up a sign was baaaaaaad.
    It was an attack and in very poor taste. It was as I said moronic and pathetic at best. Nothing redeeming about either action in this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm starting to realize how Conservatives in Washington find it easy to blame women for being raped and kids for committing suicide after being relentlessly bullied. They have a constituency that believes that no matter how at fault you are, the other side is to blame for your actions. So much for that personal responsibility bull****.
    Way over the top now. That is nothing but blatant meaningless blanket statements and hyperbole. Partisan hackery at it's finest.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    One one hand, Christmas is fun and ought to be celebrated. On the other hand, it's a public park and the public sphere needs to not involve itself in religion. If the park space is for rent, then the Christmas folks should be able to rent it and do what they like. If not, then I guess they'll have to find a place less governed by exacting rules for their celebration.

    One important thing to keep in mind. It's not the Christmas celebrators whose actions are being restricted. It's the park's actions. I'm sure there are plenty of private venues that are available for Christmas celebrations.

    There is no Christian vs atheist conflict there. There are merely the rules governing public spaces, determined by the First Amendment.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Try reading the entire thread before posting or just read my post #88 in this thread
    My reply was to the OP, not the entire thread. I don't care what you or anyone else had to say as that was my opinion. Now I suggest you learn how a forum works and understand and understand I am not interested in your opinion unless I respond to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    HOW has everyone lost? The taxpayers of Santa Monica no longer have to pay for the extra security and cleanup in the public park and all of the Xmas decorations can still be seen on the front lawns of the various churches in town. Seems like a win-win to me.
    Yes because with all that's going on a little holiday cheer in a public park is just horrible. And the clean up costs must be overwhelming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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