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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    This is crap. The atheists did not put up atheists holiday displays, they put up as far as I can tell anti-religion displays for the holidays. How wonderful of them. This does not excuse the vandalism, but it takes two sides.

    I mean really "Religions are all alike -- founded on fables and mythologies." is a wonderful holiday message. I mean "Happy Solstice" is OK, but the other was just wrong.

    The nativity scene is just that, a holiday tradition. The fables etc comment was the exact opposite and no more than an insult.

    The atheist who did that is a childish moron as well as those who vandalized said signs.

    PS: In the end everyone lost. Good job asshats!
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is crap. The atheists did not put up atheists holiday displays, they put up as far as I can tell anti-religion displays for the holidays. How wonderful of them. This does not excuse the vandalism, but it takes two sides.

    I mean really "Religions are all alike -- founded on fables and mythologies." is a wonderful holiday message. I mean "Happy Solstice" is OK, but the other was just wrong.

    The nativity scene is just that, a holiday tradition. The fables etc comment was the exact opposite and no more than an insult.

    The atheist who did that is a childish moron as well as those who vandalized said signs.
    Lol, cute. A Christian finding a way to blame both sides even though - nothing illegal, wrong, anti-constitutional etc was done by the atheists. No. It doesn't take two. Atheists didn't do anything other than what atheists normally do. Explain to people - 365 days of the year - that fairies and gods aren't real.

    Who got their feelings hurt? The zealots.
    Who committed a crime? The zealots.
    Who got the displays banned? The zealots.
    Who refused to accept that atheists have a right to tell ANYBODY of ANY religion that religion is illogical? The zealots.

    But yes, putting up a sign was baaaaaaad.

    I'm starting to realize how Conservatives in Washington find it easy to blame women for being raped and kids for committing suicide after being relentlessly bullied. They have a constituency that believes that no matter how at fault you are, the other side is to blame for your actions. So much for that personal responsibility bull****.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Holy crap, 19 pages already! Is the score still 0 - 0? If there was a touchdown, I must have missed it.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gawd, not this ridiculous stance again. Hey, look - I don't do drugs. That means I really do drugs because well.... no drugs = drugs.
    No, you are correct. No drugs =/= a different form of drug.

    But if you read carefully, you will see that the notion that I am bringing forth is the idea of organized atheism as an organized ideological group which will form its own "church" (gatherings, conferences ,etc) in order to promote itself to the population as an alternative to religions... much like other religions do. All it needs is the correct types of people in large enough numbers-> which it already has; the correct setting -> working on it, and the right charismatic, almost religious like atheist in his devotion to atheism figure to take the helms -> which it yet hasn't had, but there are many who can fill that spot. Still, many more to come. Give it 30-40years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, you are correct. No drugs =/= a different form of drug.
    My brain told me to stop reading the nonsense here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Apparently everyone is banned now.
    Nobody was banned, the City decided the only winning move was not to play.

    How about a nice game of chess?

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    My brain told me to stop reading the nonsense here.
    Probably for the best. very liberal brains need to be kept safe from reality. Especially if that very liberal brain is of the american variety.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    You are argument has nothing to do with my argument. It doesn't matter to me whether or not it was a nativity scene, if it was Santa and his reindeer, or some naked wood nymph celebrating her pagan holiday. The point I am arguing is this isn't free speech, it's not about giving the atheist the same rights as anyone else, but this is a bad atheist thinking that they are so ****ing entitled to the same thing as everyone else, they don't give a **** what they ruin.

    I would be the first in line to protest if they wanted to change the motto of the USA to "Love Jesus or Else".

    But what I won't do is ruin a traditional Christmas display because my ****ing feelers got hurt every time I walked by the park and saw a nativity scene. What next? Take a lollipop from a child because it's shaped like a cross.
    This is a crazy amount of bs
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Isn't that just special! So xians have the 'right' in your opinion to cause damage to private property if they feel offended by what they see? That is quite close to the argument used by some women haters who will excuse rape because the victim was "asking for it" by wearing sexy clothes or Pat Robertson saying we need to excuse Gen Petraeus behaviour because he's a man.

    Step back from the keyboard and think about what you just posted.
    Get over yourself. Christians are not the only ones who would be offended by anti God signs. Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same God regardless of what they call Him. It all goes back to Abraham. There is nothing to be achieved by atheists posting these signs. They aren't going to change anybody's mind, they are just seeking attention, and they got it.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is crap. The atheists did not put up atheists holiday displays, they put up as far as I can tell anti-religion displays for the holidays. How wonderful of them. This does not excuse the vandalism, but it takes two sides.

    I mean really "Religions are all alike -- founded on fables and mythologies." is a wonderful holiday message. I mean "Happy Solstice" is OK, but the other was just wrong.

    The nativity scene is just that, a holiday tradition. The fables etc comment was the exact opposite and no more than an insult.

    The atheist who did that is a childish moron as well as those who vandalized said signs.

    PS: In the end everyone lost. Good job asshats!
    Try reading the entire thread before posting or just read my post #88 in this thread

    HOW has everyone lost? The taxpayers of Santa Monica no longer have to pay for the extra security and cleanup in the public park and all of the Xmas decorations can still be seen on the front lawns of the various churches in town. Seems like a win-win to me.
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