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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court



    Just so I get this right, these churches are suing the government claiming their rights to freedom of speech were violated because the government wouldn't provide them a soapbox and place in the park?

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    So the city ended the practice because the religulous were vandalizing the other displays.
    If a Church cannot do a nativity scene in the public park, then atheists should not be allowed to put up anti-god signs. It is that simple. This display is NOT a government enforcement of religion. It is not the government picking a church. Prohibiting the naitivity is a CLEAR violation of the first amendment. It reads:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Right of the people to peaceably assemble...yep...it is keeping the church from assembling in the free excersise of religion. It would be exactly as illegal to STOP atheists from displaying anti-god signs. Keep that in mind before you start trying to prohibit this.

    Oh just another funny after thought: without us religous wackos...you atheists wouldn't be getting Thanksgiving and Christmas off lol (cause those are BOTH holidays that came about through Religion at some level or another).
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    I think it's great that atheists get their panties in a wad over a nativity scene.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    This is my point. They weren't there to spread a message about the season. They just wanted to upstage the nativity scenes. It's pathetic.
    So... the.... ****.... what? Companies do it to each other ALL the time. However Coca-Cola doesn't go around vandalizing Pepsi ads.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So... the.... ****.... what? Companies do it to each other ALL the time. However Coca-Cola doesn't go around vandalizing Pepsi ads.
    I'm not arguing against that. The vandalism was unwarranted.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    If a Church cannot do a nativity scene in the public park, then atheists should not be allowed to put up anti-god signs. It is that simple. This display is NOT a government enforcement of religion. It is not the government picking a church. Prohibiting the naitivity is a CLEAR violation of the first amendment. It reads:



    Right of the people to peaceably assemble...yep...it is keeping the church from assembling in the free excersise of religion. It would be exactly as illegal to STOP atheists from displaying anti-god signs. Keep that in mind before you start trying to prohibit this.

    Oh just another funny after thought: without us religous wackos...you atheists wouldn't be getting Thanksgiving and Christmas off lol (cause those are BOTH holidays that came about through Religion at some level or another).
    Okay Gilligan.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think it's great that atheists get their panties in a wad over a nativity scene.

    Maybe they're offended by sappy paintings on felt.

    I got this one hanging in my wine cellar.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think it's great that atheists get their panties in a wad over a nativity scene.

    And Christians get there panties in a wad over atheist wishing people a happy holiday so much so they vandalize

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I'm not arguing against that. The vandalism was unwarranted.
    So then what are you warranting against? People displaying their ideas on a sign? Look buddy, if that piece of **** NYC anti-Muslim ad got support on this forum from such right winger religious members as:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Here's one of those stories that will expose who really respects freedom of speech and who doesn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    She has every right in the world to disagree with the message presented on the poster but she is committing a crime by vandalizing the poster. In fct, in destroying the poster she is violating the free speech of whoever purchased the ad space.
    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet Elvis View Post
    It's only vandalism if conservatives do it. She was "making a statement."
    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Your right to free speech ends where someone else's begins. You don't get to vandalize other's property and scream it's free speech. No, if you had common respect and basic human decency you'd put down your little can of spray and put up your OWN sign.

    Hey, let's replace spraypaint with fire, arson. What do you think?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, destruction of others' property is never free speech.

    You're right that she isn't violating the First Amendment, but she isn't engaging in free speech, either.
    Then this should have gotten the same response. However, it hasn't because you have served as the theists own little Trojan horse by getting on some holier than thou crusade against the atheists who did nothing illegal or even REMOTELY questionable. End of the story is:

    1. Atheists did nothing wrong.
    2. Theists vandalized their sign because they got their feelings hurt.

    No matter how you cut it, at no point should the theists be cut any slack simply because they got their feelings hurt with words. As a matter of fact they should be rightfully laughed at as their actions ensured that not even their message would get a forum to be heard on.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Okay Gilligan.
    That is a rather pathetic response. Just like your statement that we Christians have a desire to burn people at the stake. As if you don't have an agenda and clear cut anti-Christian viewpoint? That statement you made about burning people at the stake was quite clearly an incendiary statement. I don't get my panties in a wad over that though. It didn't get my dander up. So don't mistake my quoting it. I want to point out that it was a LOW BLOW.

    So let me ask you: how exactly can you claim some sort of "moral high ground" when you are clearly just as militantly anti-Christian as you seem to think ALL Christians are anti-Atheist? I am willing to bet that you couldn't tell the difference between Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, and Catholic if you were in each church right? Let alone the agendas of each right?

    That being said: Do you agree or disagree that the prohibition of the PUBLIC SPACE for EITHER the Christian OR atheists is against the First Amendment?

    Keep in mind you CANNOT punish a group that you don't know is responsible. That is also against the Constitution. BTW it would be very easy for an atheist to kick over their own signs for a little attention. I don't claim that is what happened, but given the nature of many people...I can't say I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. Just like it wouldn't surprise me if a few dirt bag kids from one of the churches did the same thing.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And Christians get there panties in a wad over atheist wishing people a happy holiday so much so they vandalize
    You mad, bro?
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