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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The whole premise of this debate isn't a legal one. We can all agree that what happened was exactly what should have happen. The atheists and christians both are allowed displays. The debate I am presenting is that the atheists pick a bad time and place to try and promote their message. The whole celebration of the season is about peace. The atheists decided that this was a great time to deliver a message of intolerance. IMO, it weakens their message just as much as whomever vandalized their display had their message weaken by that action.
    tell us exactly, how does this (timing) weaken their message?
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yep - really hateful stuff
    Well...CLEARLY "an abundance of joy and peace" is atheist code-speak for a week-long orgy of unprotected anal sex with communist job-stealing robots.

    They should really crack down on hate groups like this. They're UnAmerican(TM)
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The whole premise of this debate isn't a legal one. We can all agree that what happened was exactly what should have happen. The atheists and christians both are allowed displays. The debate I am presenting is that the atheists pick a bad time and place to try and promote their message. The whole celebration of the season is about peace. The atheists decided that this was a great time to deliver a message of intolerance. IMO, it weakens their message just as much as whomever vandalized their display had their message weaken by that action.
    Vandalism I'd say is fairly intolerant. Wishing some one Happy Holidays as in Sommerviles post above is not intolerant.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by JRog View Post
    It doesn't leave you with a good taste that public property shouldn't be used for christian proselytization to the exclusion of other faiths?
    Ruining a 60 year holiday tradition because you can stand the sight of a nativity scene doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    tell us exactly, how does this (timing) weaken their message?

    Because this is a petty fight. All that was accomplished was a nativity scene was taking down from a park.
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Yes we all need to learn to repect other people's shrine of resistance to modern revelations.

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by cmakaioz View Post
    Well...CLEARLY "an abundance of joy and peace" is atheist code-speak for a week-long orgy of unprotected anal sex with communist job-stealing robots.

    They should really crack down on hate groups like this. They're UnAmerican(TM)
    You can pretend like all of them said Happy Solstice or joy and peace but it's just not truthful. It's the ones that were there solely as an anti-religious message that I have a problem with.
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Because this is a petty fight. All that was accomplished was a nativity scene was taking down from a park.
    but only after those displays of the non-Christian representatives were trashed by vandals, right?
    appears the vandals won
    the atheists lost nothing
    and the Christians are whining ... does that symbolize their victory?
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The whole premise of this debate isn't a legal one. We can all agree that what happened was exactly what should have happen. The atheists and christians both are allowed displays. The debate I am presenting is that the atheists pick a bad time and place to try and promote their message.
    It's not your place or mine to judge good or bad timing. Logically speaking, it makes perfect sense for someone who'd like people to examine their belief systems to set up such a display at the same time and place as an obvious symbol of such beliefs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The whole celebration of the season is about peace.
    The whole "season" and "holiday" crap is completely irrelevant. The nativity display (or ANY holiday display, for that matter) isn't owed any kind of special deference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The atheists decided that this was a great time to deliver a message of intolerance.
    They did no such thing. Since their display was NOT a message of intolerance in the first place, this is complete bull**** on your part.

    Once AGAIN: calling upon people to examine their beliefs is not intolerance, or attack, or an infringement in any way upon them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    IMO, it weakens their message just as much as whomever vandalized their display had their message weaken by that action.
    It's not your place to decide or judge their message or their intent in terms of it's alleged or imagined relationship to the nativity scene, because NONE of the parties involved owe any kind of special kid-glove treatment or deference in the first place.

    Unless you subscribe (as you seem to) to some variation of the principle that religious displays and beliefs deserve special exemptions and protections with regards to speech, then the nativity display is no more (and no less) deserving of the protections and requirements demanded of any other publicly displayed content, whether it be a calmly reasoned but passionate opinion essay, an ad for the local plumber, a YouTube video of kittens doing something cute, or a random piece of abstract art.

    In simplest terms: the nativity display is NOT special.
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    Re: Atheist Action Halts Calif. Nativity Display; Churches Go to Court

    We feel the same way about the religious spreading thier message.

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