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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! The strike had nothing to do with management's decision.
    The strike did not ruin the company...


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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    It's very difficult for liberals and their uneducated immigrant cattle to grasp the fact that union demands that cause 18,000 workers to lose their jobs is not a win. Understand loons: NOT A WIN.

    They cannot grasp the exponential effects on the families, which probably brings the number of losers to over 50,000. Then when you figure in the attendant businesses that repair the machinery, rent the buildings, supply the parts and materials, etc., etc., the loss becomes much larger.

    Obama then retains their votes by paying them not to work because he really, really cares and they like the fact that Obama steals the money from others who have jobs and gives it to them.

    Many of the more infantile liberal posters on here obviously have never experienced a union management relationship. It is completely adversarial bordering on hate and mistrust. The job of the union leaders is to keep the cattle inflamed about how much management is exploiting them. The union members NEVER accept that they should share a dime spent for company survival, that is management's problem and of no concern to them.

    That is the real world of union destruction of businesses, far different than the saviors of the "working man." After the bankruptcy, the union leaders go on to other assignments. They don't work for the bankrupt company, they work for the union. They're not part of the 18,000 destroyed lives.
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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    And that's really the thing--18,000 jobs gone and families hurt.

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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    compared to the 10's of millions for the Executive bankruptcy payouts?

    Compared to droves of $50 and $100 mill year CEO's?

    $100k is a living wage.......

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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    The 18000 VOTED to end thier jobs.........Better no job than making lots of money for the Executives.

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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Of course, I could be wrong. Do you think that basic labor jobs would be paid more than $10 an hour? Do you think that CEOs concern themselves with the "greater good" and pay more than that because that's their societal contribution? Frankly, I doubt that. Each CEO is concerned with their own income and lifestyle. I have several friends who make $12.50 an hour (non-union) that haven't had a raise in 5 years while the CEOs have investing hundreds of thousands in making their offices more elaborate and have concerned themselves not a bit how degrading this is to their workers. My best friend who works for a cremation company has been bought out by the largest cemetery operator in America. They have announced there will be pay reductions and most paid holidays (such as the upcoming Friday after Thanksgiving) will be eliminated.

    Nonetheless, I see there are no parking spaces at Walmart so either America is richer than I assumed or low wages work just fine.

    My usual OPINION disclaimer applies.
    CEO work for the owners and or shareholders of the company. It's the CEO's job to make the company profitable and reward the investors that have money at risk in these companies. Now that we have the CEO's job description on the table. It is now up to him/her to execute to the best of their ability to make the company the most profitable. In doing so the CEO may pay their employees a higher wage and in doing so the CEO may figure he gains in productivity over the cost. It's looking at every aspect of a business and figuring out ways to make the company the best it can be. Cutting wages is not always the best way, as cutting wages can in fact lower productivity costing the company more than if they left the wages alone. Many a CEO looks at it's company and would say they buy the best tools money can buy to do the work needed, the reason is they don't break as often as a cheap tool. Same applies to the workforce where they would hire the best and brightest and pay them accordingly as a high quality workforce makes less mistakes than a cheap dumb one.

    Now if your job only requires putting a cap on a bottle, then you can't expect to be compensated more than minimum wage because you have nothing to offer in the way of skills to support a higher wage.
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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    The 18000 VOTED to end thier jobs.........Better no job than making lots of money for the Executives.
    Yeah that's why the executives decided to liquidate, they were making so much money they wanted to put a stop to it by killing the company.
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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The strike did not ruin the company...
    No their demands did, thus liquidation. Now more union shop. Really smart union management to put yourself out of work. And now you know why the unions have lost most of it's members over the years.
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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    I do recognize the validity of your statement.

    My personal philosophy s that a happy employee is more reliable and more productive however, I don't know this to be a fact. I have always felt a kind of intimate connection with employees and I tried to pay and share enough so even the more menial jobs would allow them to participate in "the american dream". I used to make my partners angry with my generosity and indeed, I was a CEO who finally was voted out. Within 2 years of the changes in policies, the company went out of business.

    I do understrand that the "bottle cap" job isn't worth much. But even the bottle cap worker, who DOES show up and puts his caps on neatly and quickly, has the same dreams and hopes that we all do. So, there is an emotional conflict.

    In the last 5 years, the approach of cutting wages has become the dominant approach. But as you wisely pointed out, it's often better to pay for quality than to sabe on quantity.




    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    CEO work for the owners and or shareholders of the company. It's the CEO's job to make the company profitable and reward the investors that have money at risk in these companies. Now that we have the CEO's job description on the table. It is now up to him/her to execute to the best of their ability to make the company the most profitable. In doing so the CEO may pay their employees a higher wage and in doing so the CEO may figure he gains in productivity over the cost. It's looking at every aspect of a business and figuring out ways to make the company the best it can be. Cutting wages is not always the best way, as cutting wages can in fact lower productivity costing the company more than if they left the wages alone. Many a CEO looks at it's company and would say they buy the best tools money can buy to do the work needed, the reason is they don't break as often as a cheap tool. Same applies to the workforce where they would hire the best and brightest and pay them accordingly as a high quality workforce makes less mistakes than a cheap dumb one.

    Now if your job only requires putting a cap on a bottle, then you can't expect to be compensated more than minimum wage because you have nothing to offer in the way of skills to support a higher wage.

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    Re: The starving Baker's Union salaries...

    The opinions of David Horowitz do not entertain credibility, let alone truth

    David Horowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is an American conservative[2] writer and policy advocate. He is a founder and current president of the David Horowitz Freedom Center and edits FrontPage Magazine. Horowitz also founded the organization Students for Academic Freedom, whose self-stated goal is combating "leftist indoctrination" in academia.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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