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    Oreily Talking Points on Election

    If you watch the video...do you agree with Oreilly...theres some I do agree with and some I do not...

    I should add a little description...his talking points are on whether traditional america is gone for good or not.



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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Meh, its just a doomsaying rhetoric.

    The facts he presents, if true, presents a very dark picture for the USA.

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    His points that I agree with are:

    1) Even though Obama got less votes than in 2008, Romney still got too few votes to beat him (less than McCain did in 2008).

    2) We can "come back", meaning that a conservative candidate may win later elections. (It was Miller that said we are done.)

    I disagree with there being a significant difference between those that like gov't handouts and "liberal policies", as to me they are one and the same. He seems to see some major difference.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Meh, its just a doomsaying rhetoric.

    The facts he presents, if true, presents a very dark picture for the USA.
    Not really. Elections have always been about buying the votes more than ideology. This was no exception. "Traditional" always gives way to social change.

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Not really. Elections have always been about buying the votes more than ideology. This was no exception. "Traditional" always gives way to social change.
    Perhaps traditional always gives way to social change. But the things that got me worried were the facts about the children born outside of wedlock... and all the other facts. Not his own personal hopes or his anti-secularist agenda. I am pro secularism. It is a wonderful thing, having the state separated from Church.

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    What does he mean by traditional america...does he mean whites being the majority with people being religious being the majority.
    Does he mean america in the 1950s ?
    I think his definition of traditional america is done..I dont think the white vote or the evangelical vote alone will ever carry a candidate.

    The republicans threw away the latino vote...Reagan handed them the latino vote, he gave amnesty to illegal immigrants in the millions..of course he had nefarious reasons that was cheap labor and to dilute the workforce to put downward pressure on wages...but that alone could have made the GOP the party of Latinos...I dont think they believed the latino community would grow to what it is today...so they went the other way.
    They could have owned the cuban vote in florida actually they did...when clinton had the gonzalez boy taken out of his home in the middle of the night during a raid...the gop owned the cuban community. Im stressing latino..because Oreilly said thats why obama ultimately won.

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    What exactly is "traditional" America? It seems to me that our founding fathers had some pretty progressive ideas when they framed the Constitution. Religious freedom, when most of the western world was dictated in some form or another by religion; a government ruled by the people instead of a monarch or bishop; a government where the people had the say in what happens to their own lives and welfare, instead of dictated to them by a few. Seems to me that "traditional" America was pretty progressive.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Uhhhh...spin, spin, spin...

    Entitlements is what the 2012 election was all about. Abortion is a bad thing, yadda, yadda, yadda. America we knew and loved is dead...yadda, yadda, yadda.

    Okay...

    It took both conservative and liberal politicians to create a dependent nation, if that is what we have.

    Points on abortion...gezzzzzzzzzz, very much lacking in so many elements that would make his points close to being true.

    The America we once knew....yeah, well, as I recall when I was a young guy...most preachers claimed that rock n roll was the work of Satan. Uh huh...

    If America ceases to change...then I would think something is terribly wrong. It changes because generations change views, values, traditions, etc. because shifts in virtually every social vehicle changes...like say Technology. Music changes. Transportation changes. Hell...everything changes.

    The American Tradition is a generational myth.

    O'Reilly is like most TV and radio pundits...a spin doctor. There's 2 equal and opposite spins to every story. O'Reilly, like most TV and radio pundits like to take given facts and manipulate them into slices of events that are narrowed down to a specific perspective...then an attempt to quantify them in order to make the claims more legitimate. Unfortunately, the viewers and listeners take these OPINIONS and COMMENTARIES as gospel. The facts are there...BUT NOT THE WHOLE STORY!

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    What exactly is "traditional" America? It seems to me that our founding fathers had some pretty progressive ideas when they framed the Constitution. Religious freedom, when most of the western world was dictated in some form or another by religion; a government ruled by the people instead of a monarch or bishop; a government where the people had the say in what happens to their own lives and welfare, instead of dictated to them by a few. Seems to me that "traditional" America was pretty progressive.
    Well that was the point I was trying to make...what exactly does he consider tradtional america....

    One of these days..and Ill never see it and I dont think anyone 35yrs old and above will see it either...we are going to have a country where everyone kinda gets on the same page...we like everyone else will not have everyone loving each other or likeing each other...but we all be on the same page at least...but its a good ways off...when us babyboomers are all gone in 20 yrs or so...that will be the start of the change..I think anyway...

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    What does he mean by traditional america...does he mean whites being the majority with people being religious being the majority.
    Does he mean america in the 1950s ?
    I think his definition of traditional america is done..I dont think the white vote or the evangelical vote alone will ever carry a candidate.

    The republicans threw away the latino vote...Reagan handed them the latino vote, he gave amnesty to illegal immigrants in the millions..of course he had nefarious reasons that was cheap labor and to dilute the workforce to put downward pressure on wages...but that alone could have made the GOP the party of Latinos...I dont think they believed the latino community would grow to what it is today...so they went the other way.
    They could have owned the cuban vote in florida actually they did...when clinton had the gonzalez boy taken out of his home in the middle of the night during a raid...the gop owned the cuban community. Im stressing latino..because Oreilly said thats why obama ultimately won.
    Traditional America is about personal responsibility, limitted gov't (especially at the federal level) and opportunity to succeed (advance) through hard work. The idea that we are owed a living and that any job, especially an entry level position, should warrant a "middle class" standard of living is foolish. The non-disabled poor are not owed anything as a reward for failure except an opportunity to work harder and should seek private charity for help. The idea that since America is a rich country, that we should have no poor, we should simply "share" with (give to?) them on their terms is insane. Even the far worse off illegal immigrant has the balls (brains?) to find a way to earn a living here, so our own poor should emulate them not ask for (demand?) handouts.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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