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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Much of that is nonsense, depending on just what is included as "redistribution". Most of these "wonder maps" include SS as receipt of gov't "welfare", but even "blue" people tend to retire in low tax, warm climate "red" states. If you do away with the "handouts" then that should make the blue states very, very happy.
    I hope you don't mind if I take this guys word for it over yours:

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't know if it's gone for good, but it's certainly gone for now.

    I think what most americans considered traditional america is gone for good...there is room for a revival of some of it

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    My answer to his following basic question, it really is THE question, is NO.

    "True, the cost of housing, food, and other living expenses is much higher in the coastal cities, compared to the South or Midwest; but it isn’t the job of the federal government to smooth out geographical variation in real income."

    This is my big complaint with the huge federal nanny state, he makes good points about agricultural subsidies, the idiotic allocation of "defense" funding and leases of federal lands for far below "market value". Very little (no?) data was disclosed as to what he considered federal "transfers", obviously the largest source of federal revenue is the FIT, so it stands to reason that much more comes from high cost/high income states, but that is in no way the fault of "conservatives" since liberals prefer a very highly progressive FIT structure.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    That's the unclear part of O'Reilly's question - how does he define "traditional america."

    From the context of O'Reilly's piece, I took it to mean "socially conservative Christian America."

    The clock only moves in one direction, and the past will always remain in the past. However, social conservatism is not dead. Interestingly, it is alive and well among Hispanic Americans, who apparently are to be heavily courted by Republicans for the next presidential election.

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    I think what most americans considered traditional america is gone for good...there is room for a revival of some of it

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's the unclear part of O'Reilly's question - how does he define "traditional america."

    From the context of O'Reilly's piece, I took it to mean "socially conservative Christian America."

    The clock only moves in one direction, and the past will always remain in the past. However, social conservatism is not dead. Interestingly, it is alive and well among Hispanic Americans, who apparently are to be heavily courted by Republicans for the next presidential election.

    Thats what I got out of it and I said that..seems his ideal is white christian america...and I submit that dominance is past also

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Why do you believe his ideal is white christian america, rather than just christian america? I see his piece as an appeal to those issues that would be important to Catholic voters in particular - abortion, having children out of wedlock, etc.

    Hispanics are, by and large, Catholics.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats what I got out of it and I said that..seems his ideal is white christian america...and I submit that dominance is past also

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's the unclear part of O'Reilly's question - how does he define "traditional america."

    From the context of O'Reilly's piece, I took it to mean "socially conservative Christian America
    For a phone-sex pervert like Billy Goat to talk about traditional morals is absurd. O'Reilly is just a celebrity, no more worth listening to than Kim Kardashian.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Traditional America is about personal responsibility, limitted gov't (especially at the federal level) and opportunity to succeed (advance) through hard work. The idea that we are owed a living and that any job, especially an entry level position, should warrant a "middle class" standard of living is foolish. The non-disabled poor are not owed anything as a reward for failure except an opportunity to work harder and should seek private charity for help. The idea that since America is a rich country, that we should have no poor, we should simply "share" with (give to?) them on their terms is insane. Even the far worse off illegal immigrant has the balls (brains?) to find a way to earn a living here, so our own poor should emulate them not ask for (demand?) handouts.
    The problem with this is Oriley does not know **** about personal responsibility, limited government, and success through hard work. As it is the left's side to further social welfare, it is the right's cause to further corporate welfare. Personal responsibility, limited government, and success lie in the middle ground. Oriley is clueless about Traditional America.

    The same exact arguments about being "owed" anything can be attributed to the upperclass/corporations. No corporation is "too big to fail". They made their decisions, bypassed tax loops, slept with the treasury department & federal reserve. The right/rich should emulate what they preach.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post

    The republicans threw away the latino vote...Reagan handed them the latino vote, he gave amnesty to illegal immigrants in the millions..of course he had nefarious reasons that was cheap labor and to dilute the workforce to put downward pressure on wages...but that alone could have made the GOP the party of Latinos...I don't think they believed the latino community would grow to what it is today...so they went the other way..
    Completely false. In the election immediately after Reagan gave amnesty to 3.7 million Mexicans, the Mexicans still voted overwhelmingly for the Democrat, just as they did in the last election.

    Lesson learned: Amnesty doesn't buy votes, taking from Americans and awarding to Mexicans buys the Mexican vote.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    ".............However, social conservatism is not dead. Interestingly, it is alive and well among Hispanic Americans, who apparently are to be heavily courted by Republicans for the next presidential election.
    That's what the media, the liberals and the establishment Republican RINOs always tell us, but oddly, they NEVER run for election on Conservative values.

    If Hispanics are voting overwhelmingly for liberals, they are NOT Conservatives at all.

    Important to keep in mind that the culture of imported Mexican voters come from a country and culture where everything in their life depends on the largess of the Mexican government. They are imported socialists to vote for liberals, who then reward them just as the Mexican government did in Mexico. That is their culture, that is who they are.

    That is the problem facing America.

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