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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Traditional America is about personal responsibility, limitted gov't (especially at the federal level) and opportunity to succeed (advance) through hard work. The idea that we are owed a living and that any job, especially an entry level position, should warrant a "middle class" standard of living is foolish. The non-disabled poor are not owed anything as a reward for failure except an opportunity to work harder and should seek private charity for help. The idea that since America is a rich country, that we should have no poor, we should simply "share" with (give to?) them on their terms is insane. Even the far worse off illegal immigrant has the balls (brains?) to find a way to earn a living here, so our own poor should emulate them not ask for (demand?) handouts.
    Traditional America is all that you said...or all that you'd like it to be?

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    Forty percent of White people voted for a multicultie Greedhead poverty pimp. This shows absolute and final disillusion with the Republicans' promises of jobs and economic growth. Because of experience, people suspect that GOPers want to take the lion's share of profits from an economic boom and only offer low-wage jobs, outsourcing to sweatshops, unpaid training, and other one-sided benefits. Financial data such as stock prices and GNP are meaningless if prosperity is monopolized by a privileged and isolated class. GOPers' selfish and conceited attitude about their own value has driven the most unlikely people to permanently vote for the other side out of desperation and disgust.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Traditional America is about personal responsibility, limitted gov't (especially at the federal level) and opportunity to succeed (advance) through hard work. The idea that we are owed a living and that any job, especially an entry level position, should warrant a "middle class" standard of living is foolish. The non-disabled poor are not owed anything as a reward for failure except an opportunity to work harder and should seek private charity for help. The idea that since America is a rich country, that we should have no poor, we should simply "share" with (give to?) them on their terms is insane. Even the far worse off illegal immigrant has the balls (brains?) to find a way to earn a living here, so our own poor should emulate them not ask for (demand?) handouts.
    I have a whole different definition of traditional america but I dont have time to write it now...my head is in a waaaay different place...I agree with some...but most I do not

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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Well that was the point I was trying to make...what exactly does he consider tradtional america....

    One of these days..and Ill never see it and I dont think anyone 35yrs old and above will see it either...we are going to have a country where everyone kinda gets on the same page...we like everyone else will not have everyone loving each other or likeing each other...but we all be on the same page at least...but its a good ways off...when us babyboomers are all gone in 20 yrs or so...that will be the start of the change..I think anyway...
    I have some pretty high hopes for the near future for this country too. Being 33 myself, I'm hoping to get to see it, but I don't know.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    His points that I agree with are:

    1) Even though Obama got less votes than in 2008, Romney still got too few votes to beat him (less than McCain did in 2008).

    2) We can "come back", meaning that a conservative candidate may win later elections. (It was Miller that said we are done.)

    I disagree with there being a significant difference between those that like gov't handouts and "liberal policies", as to me they are one and the same. He seems to see some major difference.
    If those that like gov't handouts and liberal policies are the same how do you account for the fact that the red states recieve more federal money than they generate?

    How do you explain the red states being the beneficiaries of income distribution? Is it okay for conservatives to be takers and not makers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    If those that like gov't handouts and liberal policies are the same how do you account for the fact that the red states recieve more federal money than they generate?

    How do you explain the red states being the beneficiaries of income distribution? Is it okay for conservatives to be takers and not makers?
    Much of that is nonsense, depending on just what is included as "redistribution". Most of these "wonder maps" include SS as receipt of gov't "welfare", but even "blue" people tend to retire in low tax, warm climate "red" states. If you do away with the "handouts" then that should make the blue states very, very happy.
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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Traditional America is about personal responsibility, limitted gov't (especially at the federal level) and opportunity to succeed (advance) through hard work. The idea that we are owed a living and that any job, especially an entry level position, should warrant a "middle class" standard of living is foolish. The non-disabled poor are not owed anything as a reward for failure except an opportunity to work harder and should seek private charity for help. The idea that since America is a rich country, that we should have no poor, we should simply "share" with (give to?) them on their terms is insane. Even the far worse off illegal immigrant has the balls (brains?) to find a way to earn a living here, so our own poor should emulate them not ask for (demand?) handouts.

    Oh yes Traditional America. Let us wax nostaligic for the white man's heaven on earth.
    What a crock.


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    or maybe its this traditional america:








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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If you watch the video...do you agree with Oreilly...theres some I do agree with and some I do not...

    I should add a little description...his talking points are on whether traditional america is gone for good or not.



    Is traditional America gone for good? | Fox News Video
    Watched it last night. Thought it was thought provoking with a lot of good points.


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    Re: Oreily Talking Points on Election

    I don't know if it's gone for good, but it's certainly gone for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If you watch the video...do you agree with Oreilly...theres some I do agree with and some I do not...

    I should add a little description...his talking points are on whether traditional america is gone for good or not.



    Is traditional America gone for good? | Fox News Video

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