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    Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Ok risking being flamed as being a troll and a hack...Im still going to give a personal observation. Since the day after the election, every poll ive seen about anything has been detrimental to the GOP. I cant believe that all the rosey polls leading up to the last tuesday were on the up and up...I know the conservatives blamed All pollsters with positive results for Obama as being dishonest...but its now fact that all the republican polsters and pundits were DEAD WRONG and its becoming more apparent just how dishonest they were.
    Rasmussen who I always valued as the best or one of the top 3 polsters is a total FAIL and I unsubscribed from his daily polls because I can absolutely no longer trust his results...his results leading up the election were so out of whack with everyone elses its not possible for me to believe he wasnt playing partisan games...he actually had ohio a tie and penns going to romney and other absurdities...the most accurate turned out to be NYT/CBS Gallup and Pew...


    Americans are prepared to blame Congressional Republicans any failure to avert the fiscal cliff, according to a poll on Tuesday.

    While 51 percent of Americans don’t expect a deal, Democrats have substantially more faith than Republicans in the the ability of President Barack Obama and Congressional Republicans to compromise, according to the Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll. Two-thirds of a Republicans aren’t anticipating a deal, and only a quarter expect one. But a plurality of Democrats — 47 percent to 40 percent — expect Obama and the GOP to reach an agreement.

    Congressional Republicans are likely to face the blame for any impact: 53 percent of Americans said the GOP would be at fault, compared with 29 percent who said the same of the president. Ten percent said both would be to blame. The gap is even bigger among independent voters, only 23 percent of whom would blame the president.

    Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok risking being flamed as being a troll and a hack...Im still going to give a personal observation. Since the day after the election, every poll ive seen about anything has been detrimental to the GOP. I cant believe that all the rosey polls leading up to the last tuesday were on the up and up...I know the conservatives blamed All pollsters with positive results for Obama as being dishonest...but its now fact that all the republican polsters and pundits were DEAD WRONG and its becoming more apparent just how dishonest they were.
    Rasmussen who I always valued as the best or one of the top 3 polsters is a total FAIL and I unsubscribed from his daily polls because I can absolutely no longer trust his results...his results leading up the election were so out of whack with everyone elses its not possible for me to believe he wasnt playing partisan games...he actually had ohio a tie and penns going to romney and other absurdities...the most accurate turned out to be NYT/CBS Gallup and Pew...

    Americans are prepared to blame Congressional Republicans any failure to avert the fiscal cliff, according to a poll on Tuesday.

    While 51 percent of Americans don’t expect a deal, Democrats have substantially more faith than Republicans in the the ability of President Barack Obama and Congressional Republicans to compromise, according to the Washington Post-Pew Research Center poll. Two-thirds of a Republicans aren’t anticipating a deal, and only a quarter expect one. But a plurality of Democrats — 47 percent to 40 percent — expect Obama and the GOP to reach an agreement.

    Congressional Republicans are likely to face the blame for any impact: 53 percent of Americans said the GOP would be at fault, compared with 29 percent who said the same of the president. Ten percent said both would be to blame. The gap is even bigger among independent voters, only 23 percent of whom would blame the president.

    Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com
    I think they'll reach a deal.

    Re the poll numbers . . . the only thing they don't know is, of the people they polled, which of them are going to actually vote. Seems like lots of conservatives stayed home.

    Had dinner with some 20-somethings last week, and the reason they voted Obama? Mitt Romney pays less of a percentage of income tax than they do. Nice job, Dems. It worked.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think they'll reach a deal.

    Re the poll numbers . . . the only thing they don't know is, of the people they polled, which of them are going to actually vote. Seems like lots of conservatives stayed home.

    Had dinner with some 20-somethings last week, and the reason they voted Obama? Mitt Romney pays less of a percentage of income tax than they do. Nice job, Dems. It worked.

    No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    They'll reach a deal, which means the Reps and Dems win, but the American people lose.


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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    They're already deciding who is at fault for something that hasn't yet happened, and wouldn't have happened if:

    1. the tax cuts had been made permanent in the first place, as proposed.
    2. the "compromise" bill creating automatic cuts hadn't been passed and signed.
    3. we didn't insist upon spending like drunken sailors on shore leave come hell or high water.

    Seems to me like that means everybody's to blame for getting us in this mess. As to who we blame if we don't get out of it? How about "everybody". Ain't nobody's hands clean here.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..
    Damn it. I was going to leave that out so as not to distract. We'll argue that another time.

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..
    Who the hell cares if they were?! There is no proof that Romney ever broke the law (or rather, that his tax preparers ever broke the law), so the fact that he paid a lower effective rate than his marginal rate would suggest is hardly a reason NOT to vote for him...since it appears it was done legally within the parameters of the existing tax code.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    there will be a deal. probably they'll balk at first and pass some stopgap BS in 2012, but congress likes to pat itself on the back quite a bit, and bipartisanship is the order of the day. look for some "grand compromise" package in 2013. i'm not predicting that the grand compromise will do much to solve the fundamental problems, but my guess is that the mission of congressional republicans has been modified somewhat. standing in the way of every single piece of legislation was a nod to the most vocal part of the republican base, and that segment was unable to bring out enough people to generate a win. now the congressional republicans will play to a new audience.

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    I'm optimistic that the president and Congressional Republicans will reach a deal. Will it actually happen? We'll have to wait and see, but I think Republicans learned something from this election: America didn't like the games they played during the election season. Not only that, but I think America overall is tired of the partisan crap being played by both sides. However, it seems to me, and I think a majority of Americans agreed, that Democrats are more apt to compromise than Republicans. I think if the Republicans got rid of the extremists in their party, then we could actually get things done. There has to be a middle ground, and our elected officials have to find it, or we're doomed. Not liberalism, not conservatism, but partisanism, is what will bring this country down. There's nothing wrong with the ideas of fiscal conservatives, it's social conservatives who are causing alot of the problems, by forcing us and the politicians to deal with issues that are moot as to the direction this country needs to head. Who gives a damn if homosexuals are allowed to marry? I certainly don't. It's not important to creating jobs, balancing the budget, lowering the deficit, improving on education, etc. Social conservatives, mostly conservative Christians, are making issues out of creationism vs. evolution, homosexual marriage, abortion, and a bunch of other BS that doesn't affect the country in the long run. Get rid of those, and we'll see some things get done.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    All of the talk of "compromise" centers around taxing "the rich" a bit more, to reduce the federal defict from 40% to 38%, but what good is that really? Much more revenue (and less spending) than that could be gotten by lowering the unemployment rate, but nobody is now proposing any "jobs" bills, reducing job killing regulations or removing "unfunded mandates" that serve to make/keep labor costs higher. What of the "temporary" SS withholding rate reduction?
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