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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The title of that cartoon is wrong. It's supposed to read "Helping the rich", and the bucket is missing the word "Corporate"

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not the one crying that they wrongly believed they paid a higher tax rate than Romney

    BTW did you ever tell us what Romney got from the government additional to what you got for the 2 million more he paid in taxes last year
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Republicans have to play ball now or they lose the independents. I have my hopes up that the next four years will be relatively constructive. Halting getting things done will not work anymore.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No no no maggie im not going to let you get away with making that sound like a democrat ploy...that happens to be the DISGUSTING TRUTH...its a fact he paid less percentage of taxs than many middle class americans...and thats why he HID the rest of his tax returns and couldnt show them...id bet they were even lower in percentage..
    If you add back his tithing, he would have paid quite a bit more.

    And Romney didn't hide his pre-2010 returns because he paid little. Remember that McCain saw his pre-2009 returns and saw nothing disqualifying. I trust McCain on this one. BUT Romney cannot release his pre-2009 without releasing his 2009. There would be a gap of 2005-2008, then 2010-2011. Now, why would Romney not release 2009? My money is that he had a voluntary disclosure and payment for being in the UBS tax scandal. That would have INSTANTLY killed his campaign. Overseas tax evasion? It's over. Romney can't release prior year returns without 2009 and he won't release 2009 because it'd kill his campaign. Therefore, he released nothing. I'm damn sure Romney paid taxes in those years, Ried's completely full of ****. But Reid knew there was a bigger fish. I'd be good money it's the UBS scandal.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    nice rant.
    Yet you didn't dispute that in my opinion even the middle class will face higher taxes sometime within the next four years.
    Nothing you said changes the fact that Obama and others could have contributed more to the Tres., but decided only to follow the tax code.

    I for one think the tax code needs overhauled. Is it fair that about 50% of the workers pay no federal tax, while the other 50% pays 100% of the federal taxes collected. We should all contribute our fair share. But each to their own.

    Funny, I never got the message that the Republicans where against the middle class workers.

    Seems both Romney and Obama agree that seniors and middle class should not have their taxes raised.
    Uh, payroll taxes are federal taxes. The actual number of people paying neither is quite small, largely because they are students, retirees or children.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Republicans have to play ball now or they lose the independents. I have my hopes up that the next four years will be relatively constructive. Halting getting things done will not work anymore.
    People elected Obama expecting things to get done? Dang... we are doomed.

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If you add back his tithing, he would have paid quite a bit more.

    And Romney didn't hide his pre-2010 returns because he paid little. Remember that McCain saw his pre-2009 returns and saw nothing disqualifying. I trust McCain on this one. BUT Romney cannot release his pre-2009 without releasing his 2009. There would be a gap of 2005-2008, then 2010-2011. Now, why would Romney not release 2009? My money is that he had a voluntary disclosure and payment for being in the UBS tax scandal. That would have INSTANTLY killed his campaign. Overseas tax evasion? It's over. Romney can't release prior year returns without 2009 and he won't release 2009 because it'd kill his campaign. Therefore, he released nothing. I'm damn sure Romney paid taxes in those years, Ried's completely full of ****. But Reid knew there was a bigger fish. I'd be good money it's the UBS scandal.
    That was my guess, too. Reid was baiting him.

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh, payroll taxes are federal taxes. The actual number of people paying neither is quite small, largely because they are students, retirees or children.
    Further, Payroll taxes have long been on the rise as a percentage of Federal receipts. They are now effectively an equal portion as from individual Federal Income tax (the later 41%, the former 40% in 2010). So this more-regressive-than-a-flat-tax is now constituting a major portion of Federal receipts, and people have the gaul to suggest that upper income class (disclosure: of which I am one, these days) is the victim of some newly initiated a class war?

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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    the baby steps in the GOP so far have been very encouraging. Boehner seems to start to have a back bone and the guy in the senate is getting his glasses cleaned next week. Boehner took on the Teas hero (ryan) and beat him Tuesday in a head to head over a GOP leader in the House. Boehner won.

    Just keep going in this direction and someday the GOP will actually be able to have a platform that doesn't rely on bitching but showing how much their plan is better than the Dems.
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    Re: Poll: Blame GOP for cliff diving

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think they'll reach a deal.

    Re the poll numbers . . . the only thing they don't know is, of the people they polled, which of them are going to actually vote. Seems like lots of conservatives stayed home.

    Had dinner with some 20-somethings last week, and the reason they voted Obama? Mitt Romney pays less of a percentage of income tax than they do. Nice job, Dems. It worked.
    Actually, more liberals and moderates stayed home than conservatives, if you compare the vote totals from 2008.

    And those complaints you make about the polls sound a lot like the complaints the right wing was making about the pre-election polls. Which, of course, turned out to be amazingly accurate except for the Republican tool that is Rasmussen.
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