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Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

dyanaprajna2011 said:
I disagree. If you would have read what I posted, I said that there's nothing wrong with big government, as long as it's utilized properly.
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Yeah, and you can't have liberty with big government. Wishful thinking.
 
Born Free said:
Let me give you my perspective, which you entitlement loving people don't want to talk about is the cost. Obama increased the national debt by 6 trillion in just 4 yrs and under Obama he will increase it by over a trillion each year for the next 4 yrs. Any politician that promises more free stuff gets elected, and because of that we have now become an entitlement society, that is driving up our debt and that is all OK with you as long as you don't have to pay for it.
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really want to go there? Ok, what about all the entitlements corporations get? Oh wait, you mean, military, energy, financial, tax credits, Farm industry, and should I keep going? Please, this is just a weak talking point and debunked by critics. So try to get a new on.
 
Amigo said:
Yeah, and you can't have liberty with big government. Wishful thinking.
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if you really want small government then why do you support the military? That big government isn't? What about restricting women's right to have an abortion? Or restricting the age of consent for young teens? Where was the outcry over Patriot Act under Bush? You would have no problem if Americans or Corporations were able to buy nukes, since you don't want big government right? So please..............
 
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Vallista said:
really want to go there? Ok, what about all the entitlements corporations get? Oh wait, you mean, military, energy, financial, tax credits, Farm industry, and should I keep going? Please, this is just a weak talking point and debunked by critics. So try to get a new on.
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Let me tell you, I'm against any subsidy in any form. How's that. That would include all this green Obama is wasting tax payer money on. Yes I am against any subsidy. Period.....
 
Born Free said:
Let me tell you, I'm against any subsidy in any form. How's that. That would include all this green Obama is wasting tax payer money on. Yes I am against any subsidy. Period.....
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your not so stop.
 
Dion said:
He is correct ... greater than 90% of the Physicians, Nurse Practitioners, and other professionals i work with ( over 300+) not only support ACA ...they view the GOP as the dumbed down Fox News tabloid infotainment bumper sticker party.

Be clear ... I know there are many intelligent and progressive republicans that comprehend science and know that unified bodies for military and healthcare are not socialism and that regulations in industries such as banking and Wall Street are correct and right.

I actually think most Americans are centrists with minor differences. I know I will receive flack on this statement and I have no back up or statistically significant study to back this up ... it imho.

Intelligent thinking Americans know the Democrats are not socialists and know the Republicans are not all Rush Limbaughs ...! They just have different viewpoints on resolving some issues and hopefully all want the best decisions to grow out beautiful Democratic Republic the United States of America!

I think both parties should join together for finance reform and to mitigate Citizens United v. FEC. Both are the antithesis of a democracy and voices for We the People!
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Well, we know this much. We continue to send the same people back to DC. Interesting that Congress is supposedly so despised yet incumbents tend to win time and again. We all like those 'bennies'. Stick it to the rich and our grandkids. Show me the money.
 
Vallista said:
if you really want small government then why do you support the military? That big government isn't? What about restricting women's right to have an abortion? Or restricting the age of consent for young teens? Where was the outcry over Patriot Act under Bush? You would have no problem if Americans or Corporations were able to buy nukes, since you don't want big government right? So please..............
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A single service is not big govt. Big govt is when govt is involved in everything. Right sized govt means a govt that has only the powers granted to it in the constitution. Protection of life from violence, and ensuring justice primarily. Controlling peoples bodies, telling people what they can and cant buy is big govt.
 
hfd said:
Well, we know this much. We continue to send the same people back to DC. Interesting that Congress is supposedly so despised yet incumbents tend to win time and again. We all like those 'bennies'. Stick it to the rich and our grandkids. Show me the money.
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Exactly. People think the other guy is the problem, which is why they always vote their own guy back in.
 
Vallista said:
if you really want small government then why do you support the military? That big government isn't?
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It's called defence dude, it is our main reason of our government.

What about restricting women's right to have an abortion?
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I guess they shouldn't my "right" to kill you! In that case.

Or restricting the age of consent for young teens?
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Wow, I notice you define liberty for certain people..meaning you always separate people into groups; gays, young people, women, whales...

Where was the outcry over Patriot Act under Bush?
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Bush was big government. The Patriot Act is big government.

You would have no problem if Americans or Corporations were able to buy nukes, since you don't want big government right? So please..............
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Wait....nukes??? :lamo If I had a nuke..it would violate my nieghbours private property. In those parts we can't have nukes. Nice try to make a stupid point though.
 
dyanaprajna2011 said:
Says who?
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Really? Says who? Nobody has to say anything. It is a fact! With Big Government there is limited liberty. With Small Government there is abundance of liberty. It is this thing called COMMON SENSE! Sorry, but liberals just don't have an ounce of that.
 
Amigo said:
Really? Says who? Nobody has to say anything. It is a fact! With Big Government there is limited liberty. With Small Government there is abundance of liberty. It is this thing called COMMON SENSE! Sorry, but liberals just don't have an ounce of that.
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How is it a fact? Has anyone ever done it right? It seems to me that conservatives, who are so against big government, actually support government programs to limit people's civil liberties. How is that liberty? If you had any common sense, you'd drop that conservative nonsense. Sorry, but I'm not supporting conservatives who want to take away my right to be a Buddhist, or to think on my own, for my own. I'm not supporting conservatives who think that I'm second rate because I'm not a WASP.
 
jonny5 said:
A single service is not big govt. Big govt is when govt is involved in everything. Right sized govt means a govt that has only the powers granted to it in the constitution. Protection of life from violence, and ensuring justice primarily. Controlling peoples bodies, telling people what they can and cant buy is big govt.
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nah....nice try. The Patriot act is pretty big government, Telling women how to used their bodies is big government, telling people who they can and can't marry is pretty big government. Don't try to twist this, Conservatives talk all the time about small government when it comes to guns, financial, economics, and etc. However, they want big government in censorship, military, tax credits for the rich, birth control and I could keep going.
 
dyanaprajna2011 said:
How is it a fact? Has anyone ever done it right? It seems to me that conservatives, who are so against big government, actually support government programs to limit people's civil liberties. How is that liberty? If you had any common sense, you'd drop that conservative nonsense. Sorry, but I'm not supporting conservatives who want to take away my right to be a Buddhist, or to think on my own, for my own. I'm not supporting conservatives who think that I'm second rate because I'm not a WASP.
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:shock: When in the world did I say you shouldn't be a Buddhist!?! :shock: What programs do we support that are anti-liberty? I oppose NDAA, Patriot Act, etc.. What are you referring to? What do you mean if you aren't a WASP you don't have liberty. What kind non-sense are you making up here? :doh

Listen, we want liberty and the pursuit of success for every individual citizen of this nation, that is what Conservatism/Libertarianism is!
 
Vallista said:
nah....nice try. The Patriot act is pretty big government,
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I agree...including when the NDAA and NDPA, oh wait...shhhh...Obama signed those in.

Telling women how to used their bodies is big government,
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Yes, that is. That is why we oppose that. Of course, you always forget the other part of the story..

telling people who they can and can't marry is pretty big government.
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I know!! I should be able to marry a Dog!!!!

Don't try to twist this, Conservatives talk all the time about small government when it comes to guns, financial, economics, and etc. However, they want big government in censorship, military, tax credits for the rich, birth control and I could keep going.
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Huh?? You mean forcing people to pay for something they don't believe in? Giving people free stuff just so they can keep the population down in order to save the planet, as Agenda 21 is meant to do??? Oops, I let that one out. That is what your side wants.
 
Paul Austin said:
Some people mentioned his name for this year. I wonder if he's got an eye on 2016?

If he does will we get birthers wanting to see his birth certificate?

If memory serves me right his parents hadnt long got off the plane before he was born.
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That may be one of the silliest things I've read here. Do you REALLY not know the circumstances surrounding Obama that led to questions about his citizenship or are you just playing a convincing game of partisan hackery?

And for anyone who doesn't know, Bobby jindal was born and grew up in Louisiana.

Your insinuation that Republicans were, are or would be looking for reasons to disqualify any dark skinned candidate is repugnant
 
I like Jindal well enough but I think he is misguided. There is no way that anything he has suggested would ever result in the GOP becoming a magnet for Hispanics, single women, blacks or gays. Furthermore, Rush says that even if the GOP were to go "all in" with it's support for alien amnesty and a pathway for illegals to citizenship, that the Dems would ever 'allow' the GOP to effectively recruit those segments of voters. All they'd have to do, Rush says, is to wait for some GOP state senator or a GOP Congressman somewhere to oppose the amnesty program and then Pelosi or Reid or somebody on the left (including the folks at MSDNC) need only announce, "See? The GOP doesn't REALLY support minority inclusion. Their amnesty proposal is just a lie, a scam, window dressing, a ploy to trick you!"

And just like that all of these well intentioned ideas will be defeated before you could say, boo!

Jindal's strategy won't work. Let's not pander. Instead, let's focus on highlighting our core beliefs. Spell them out. Sell them and make them the attraction to voters.
 
Vallista said:
nah....nice try. The Patriot act is pretty big government, Telling women how to used their bodies is big government, telling people who they can and can't marry is pretty big government. Don't try to twist this, Conservatives talk all the time about small government when it comes to guns, financial, economics, and etc. However, they want big government in censorship, military, tax credits for the rich, birth control and I could keep going.
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I agreed with you in part. Notice the libertarian tag in my profile? Military is not big govt though, its right sized govt when its purpose is limited.
 
Amigo said:
:shock: When in the world did I say you shouldn't be a Buddhist!?! :shock: What programs do we support that are anti-liberty? I oppose NDAA, Patriot Act, etc.. What are you referring to? What do you mean if you aren't a WASP you don't have liberty. What kind non-sense are you making up here? :doh

Listen, we want liberty and the pursuit of success for every individual citizen of this nation, that is what Conservatism/Libertarianism is!
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I fail to see it. As for me, I find the same thing in liberalism/progressivism. As far as someone saying I shouldn't be a Buddhist, it's hard to be part of a religion other than Christianity in a nation that is primarily conservative Christian. As far as programs that are anti-liberty supported by conservatives, it's hard to think that conservatives support liberty for all, when their main concern is business, and the lower classes seem to get thrown by the wayside. It seems that WASP's are the one's who have the easiest time with success in this country. There's many reasons why I'm liberal, one of the main reasons is because I see it as supporting liberty for all, and not just for some. Liberalism is about the common good, the good of all, and the good of the nation as a whole. Conservatism focuses too much on the individual, where stands the greatest chance for chaos, disorder, disunity, and the opportunity to stand against patriotism. It's also, as I see it, the more spiritual of the two schools of thought. Most spirituality, and especially the founders of the various religions, seem to be more liberal in their outlook. I could go on, but I feel I'm already about to derail the thread.
 
Vallista said:
nah....nice try. The Patriot act is pretty big government, Telling women how to used their bodies is big government, telling people who they can and can't marry is pretty big government. Don't try to twist this, Conservatives talk all the time about small government when it comes to guns, financial, economics, and etc. However, they want big government in censorship, military, tax credits for the rich, birth control and I could keep going.
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You might be able to keep going but your concept of big government is very different from the Conservatives' concept.

Your idea of big government excess can be committed by even a small government. What you describe is actually government over reach and intrusion.
 
marsden said:
You might be able to keep going but your concept of big government is very different from the Conservatives' concept.

Your idea of big government excess can be committed by even a small government. What you describe is actually government over reach and intrusion.
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Wouldn't it be true that government over reach and intrusion is a common small-government conservative's definition of "big government"? Let's consider recent developments. The Affordable Care Act. The two common complaints boiled down to intrusion and overreach.

This doesn't preclude the possibility for big government conservatives. If I were to be considered in any way conservative, I'm more from this realm. We've had them since the Adams and Hamiltonian years.

Traditionalists can easily be small-government conservatives, but see little to no problem with maintaining what they view as social cohesion. I'm not really of their sort, but it isn't unheard of (in fact it's rather common).
 
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