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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The 10th amendment suggests that it is indeed the maximum.
    Then let the states be divided, and let the country fall apart. Without a strong federal government, this is what will happen.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    Then let the states be divided, and let the country fall apart. Without a strong federal government, this is what will happen.
    Im willing to give it a try.

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Seems like all the bright young things of the Republican party are jumping ship. First Chris Christie and now Jindal. I wonder when Rubio is going to throw the Tea Party under the bus?
    rubio is tea party darling so he'll have to throw himself under the bus, too.


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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? So even if federal programs do not work, are not based on any Constitutional power, they should be continued because they MIGHT help some people? You have been duped into the thinking that "good intentions" or "importance of an issue" make it into a federal responsibility. In no way do I see one national plan as better than each state trying its own ideas, that is 49 more chances to discover what works well. The biggest drawback to a federal take over is that, like education, when it fails to improve things, but spends much more money, we all suffer both ways yet have no real local/state input to getting anything changed.

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    I had a thought. Let's say the states run their own education systems. Now let's say, for instance, Kentucky sets it where evolution is not taught at all, and creationism is taught as how everything began. Now let's say that person goes to take a job with some sort of science vocation, out of state, say California. Can that person get said job, when he was taught creationism all his life, while in California they taught evolution? Without the federal government setting some kind of standards, this is something that is likely to happen.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    rubio is tea party darling so he'll have to throw himself under the bus, too.

    Yeah but so was Christie until he decided to praise Obama for his handling of Sandy, and then the Tea Party turned on him. And now here's Jindal biting the hand that feeds him. I think this is because the smart politicians can tell the Tea Party is dead and the rats need to flee the sinking ship.

    I wouldn't be so sure Rubio is going to stay loyal to the Tea Party just because they made him what he is today. He is not a man of character. He is a consummate politician and will go whichever way the wind blows.

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    I had a thought. Let's say the states run their own education systems. Now let's say, for instance, Kentucky sets it where evolution is not taught at all, and creationism is taught as how everything began. Now let's say that person goes to take a job with some sort of science vocation, out of state, say California. Can that person get said job, when he was taught creationism all his life, while in California they taught evolution? Without the federal government setting some kind of standards, this is something that is likely to happen.
    So what? The person can retrain themselves if they want to work in California. What business is it of the federal govt how a parent educates their children?

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So what? The person can retrain themselves if they want to work in California. What business is it of the federal govt how a parent educates their children?
    Creationism is a religious dogma. You can't just 'retrain' yourself out of it. I've been there. It took about six years before I was able to fully expunge myself from Christian dogma. The problem is, is that something like this is not education, it's indoctrination. Now multiply that times however many states would actually pass such a law. Now you have people in the workforce, especially science and technology, who no longer have the critical thinking skills necessary to progress in such fields. A little while later, and America is no longer competitive in such areas. It just goes downhill. See how that doesn't work?
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps a good example is DOEd, education is not a federal power (check the Constitution), there are no federal schools (except the service academies). The purpose of DOEd is largely, if not entirely, income redistribution (after skimming a bit) and forcing the states to do things that they otherwise would (or may) not do. Once a federal dept., agency or program is started, it grows and assumes much more power (gradually) than it was ever initially intended to have. It gains "supporters" that benefit from it, that support politicians to protect the status quo and add more benefits that they "need".

    Another example is the federal Agriculture department, it started as a means to assure that we, as a nation, produce a balanced, safe and steady food supply for internal consumption and export. It has since, morphed into, or evolved to spend 80% of its "budget" simply giving away free food via SNAP. This, of course, did not happen overnight or even "on purpose" yet it is a fact.
    Haha, beat me to it dude!
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT on Nov 8th, 2012 View Post
    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    I'll address the DOE first. Our public school systems are in the crapper. Whether this is because of federal government involvement, or in spite of it, I don't know. Regardless, something has to be done, and it's obvious the states aren't going to do anything about, maybe because they can't, or maybe because they won't. But if something is wrong amongst a majority of the states, sometimes federal involvement could be seen to be necessary, if only for a time.

    As far as the DOA, I think this is somewhat unfortunate that so much is not going to actual agriculture, but this by no means means SNAP is a bad idea. I agree that 80% is too much, so that should be cut back, but I don't think that it should be done away with completely, since the economy is such that there are many people who have to choose between bills and groceries. But, since we do have the food stamp program, the amount of money going to SNAP seems to be a bit much.
    The number one reason why Big Government doesn't work is simple. When it is big it is hard to control by the people. The people can't control a big government. Thus making all these multiple departments, and we have no say in what happens now.
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT on Nov 8th, 2012 View Post
    Over the next four years the economy will continue to rebound and we will gradually get deficits under control. The real esate market will rebound, unemployment will fall to 6.5% or below, and GDP growth will stand at 3.5 - 4%. We won't be in any wars. And conservatives will still be whining.

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Education and demographic awareness is not a bias



    The argument for race is true. The bulk of GOP voters, i. e. those in the red states, are bigots.

    As for a "nanny state" philosophy, the pro-censorship, bedroom-policing, federal-gay-marriage-ban party has made its identity very clear, and it's not the blue one.



    The victimization mentality was found mostly on the right in the 2012 election--it was the poor working class GOP voters who were blaming their government, i. e. Obama for not giving them jobs.



    MA consists of mostly educated white males, not angry ones. That's why the state went blue on Nov. 6., and Scott Brown was previously elected not by AWMs but by independents who rightfully recognized that his 2010 opponent Coakley was a sorry excuse for a leader.

    The psychology of the AWM, OTOH, was already described in my post in this thread. . .

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061161814
    Its spin!
    Lets see- Black conservatives in red states hate other blacks based on their skin color?
    No, education and demographics are not always implicit of motives in an election. Lots of times its immediacy people vote their purses.
    Having a clear set of values is prudent for all of us in our private lives and we all live by some form or other of ethics, we simply chose to make some things a matter of principle, while you want everything to be legal except the freedom to question your motives when you use government to further your ends.
    Scott Brown was a casuality of coat tailing the father of nationalized health care.
    I can't remember what you said about this angry white male, or any other one. I'll take your word for it.
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