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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    I'll address the DOE first. Our public school systems are in the crapper. Whether this is because of federal government involvement, or in spite of it, I don't know. Regardless, something has to be done, and it's obvious the states aren't going to do anything about, maybe because they can't, or maybe because they won't. But if something is wrong amongst a majority of the states, sometimes federal involvement could be seen to be necessary, if only for a time.

    As far as the DOA, I think this is somewhat unfortunate that so much is not going to actual agriculture, but this by no means means SNAP is a bad idea. I agree that 80% is too much, so that should be cut back, but I don't think that it should be done away with completely, since the economy is such that there are many people who have to choose between bills and groceries. But, since we do have the food stamp program, the amount of money going to SNAP seems to be a bit much.
    What? So even if federal programs do not work, are not based on any Constitutional power, they should be continued because they MIGHT help some people? You have been duped into the thinking that "good intentions" or "importance of an issue" make it into a federal responsibility. In no way do I see one national plan as better than each state trying its own ideas, that is 49 more chances to discover what works well. The biggest drawback to a federal take over is that, like education, when it fails to improve things, but spends much more money, we all suffer both ways yet have no real local/state input to getting anything changed.

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tesral View Post
    Awe thats sweet and so typical of you libs. Honestly the inclusion card ? We cant, make this **** up fast enough to stay ahead of you people. So now were bigoted toward a "Specter Republican"! Since your so concerned- you take him.
    If Jindal decides to abandon his support for the GOP practice of running up multi-billion dollar deficits to start and/or take sides in wars (i. e. funding Israel), and his support for pro-religious, anti-1st Amendment educational proposals, we--the Libertarian Party--would be delighted to have him.

    Makes sense--as an educated man with dark skin whose father is Indian, on a national level, Jindal is totally unelectable in his own party, where the bulk of voters are White, racist, and uneducated.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    If Jindal decides to abandon his support for the GOP practice of running up multi-billion dollar deficits to start and/or take sides in wars (i. e. funding Israel), and his support for pro-religious, anti-1st Amendment educational proposals, we--the Libertarian Party--would be delighted to have him.

    Makes sense--as an educated man with dark skin whose father is Indian, on a national level, Jindal is totally unelectable in his own party, where the bulk of voters are White, racist, and uneducated.
    I meant Liberal in my earlier post. Your social leanings and their bias proceed you. You have to make an argument out of race to be divisive and give legitimacy to your nanny statist philosophy that - the state exists to right the wrongs of whom ever you see as a victim. So now we can add Scott Brown too if you'd like. Another victim of us angry white males.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? So even if federal programs do not work, are not based on any Constitutional power, they should be continued because they MIGHT help some people? You have been duped into the thinking that "good intentions" or "importance of an issue" make it into a federal responsibility. In no way do I see one national plan as better than each state trying its own ideas, that is 49 more chances to discover what works well. The biggest drawback to a federal take over is that, like education, when it fails to improve things, but spends much more money, we all suffer both ways yet have no real local/state input to getting anything changed.

    Chicago Teachers Union Demands 30 Percent Pay Raise

    The School Staffing Surge: Decades of Employment Growth in America

    Media Myth Debunked: Class Sizes Have Dropped 40 Percent Since 1960 | NewsBusters.org

    http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand...MR1679.ch3.pdf
    I haven't been duped. I believe that some things are a federal issue, or can become one, because I believe as a nation, we stand together or we fall together.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    I haven't been duped. I believe that some things are a federal issue, or can become one, because I believe as a nation, we stand together or we fall together.
    So the Constitution is now merely a suggestion of minmum federal powers, no amendments are needed, just the political will of a slim majority of 535 (s)elected people to make everything "important" into a federal power. This is the driving factor for the growing secession movement.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So the Constitution is now merely a suggestion of minmum federal powers, no amendments are needed, just the political will of a slim majority of 535 (s)elected people to make everything "important" into a federal power. This is the driving factor for the growing secession movement.
    The Constitution was never meant to be the maximum, but only the minimum, that's why it can be amended. If it was the be-all-end-all, there wouldn't be a reason to amend it.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    The Constitution was never meant to be the maximum, but only the minimum, that's why it can be amended. If it was the be-all-end-all, there wouldn't be a reason to amend it.
    You are going in circles here. You consider the DOEd to be a legitimate "new" federal power without any Constitutional action at all, simply becuase it is "important" and "not bad" in your opinion, yet the Constitution does not assign (enumerate) education as a federal power. We are now supposed to believe that federal taxation of U.S. citizens (and businesses) for NOT buying a specific commercial product/service is a "logical extension" of the federal power to "tax the people based on their income from all sources". Stretching the truth, far enough, eventually makes it into a lie.
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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tesral View Post
    I meant Liberal in my earlier post. Your social leanings and their bias proceed you.
    Education and demographic awareness is not a bias

    Quote Originally Posted by Tesral View Post
    You have to make an argument out of race to be divisive and give legitimacy to your nanny statist philosophy
    The argument for race is true. The bulk of GOP voters, i. e. those in the red states, are bigots.

    As for a "nanny state" philosophy, the pro-censorship, bedroom-policing, federal-gay-marriage-ban party has made its identity very clear, and it's not the blue one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tesral View Post
    that - the state exists to right the wrongs of whom ever you see as a victim.
    The victimization mentality was found mostly on the right in the 2012 election--it was the poor working class GOP voters who were blaming their government, i. e. Obama for not giving them jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tesral View Post
    So now we can add Scott Brown too if you'd like. Another victim of us angry white males.
    MA consists of mostly educated white males, not angry ones. That's why the state went blue on Nov. 6., and Scott Brown was previously elected not by AWMs but by independents who rightfully recognized that his 2010 opponent Coakley was a sorry excuse for a leader.

    The psychology of the AWM, OTOH, was already described in my post in this thread. . .

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061161814

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Seems like all the bright young things of the Republican party are jumping ship. First Chris Christie and now Jindal. I wonder when Rubio is going to throw the Tea Party under the bus?

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    Re: Bobby Jindal: GOP Should 'Stop Being The Stupid Party'

    Quote Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011 View Post
    The Constitution was never meant to be the maximum, but only the minimum, that's why it can be amended. If it was the be-all-end-all, there wouldn't be a reason to amend it.
    The 10th amendment suggests that it is indeed the maximum.

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