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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic82 View Post
    Ban Trump...Ban Macy's...it's America and this is a non-issue.
    Yet here you are.

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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Donald Trump: Macy's urged to fire him | PopWatch | EW.com

    I could care less about Trump, but Im concerned by the disrespect being shown for speech by americans of all ideologies against Trump and many others. While people are of course free to boycott and protest whatever they want, that doesnt mean they should use that freedom to try and silence others. I personally disagree with tons of celebrities, and never once have I suggested that their employers or customers should dump them simply because of the personal views that they hold or opinions that they make publicly.

    Yet, this is happening more and more, primarily against conservatives. And I suspect the usual suspects will soon be in here to offer their opinion of Trump and make my point.
    What these petitioners are doing is itself an exercise of free speech. Macy's is a private company, and if it decides to kick Trump to the curb, there will be no violation of Trump's freedom of speech either.

    Once again, freedom of speech =/= freedom from the economic and social consequences of your speech.
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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Donald Trump: Macy's urged to fire him | PopWatch | EW.com

    I could care less about Trump, but Im concerned by the disrespect being shown for speech by americans of all ideologies against Trump and many others. While people are of course free to boycott and protest whatever they want, that doesnt mean they should use that freedom to try and silence others. I personally disagree with tons of celebrities, and never once have I suggested that their employers or customers should dump them simply because of the personal views that they hold or opinions that they make publicly.

    Yet, this is happening more and more, primarily against conservatives. And I suspect the usual suspects will soon be in here to offer their opinion of Trump and make my point.
    I think it's a very good use of free speech. However, due to the fact that it's an online petition? It doesn't mean much. It asks for name/address. Clear your cache and vote as many times as you'd like. Only people this benefits are the services that charge to put these kinds of petitions on the internet.
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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What these petitioners are doing is itself an exercise of free speech. Macy's is a private company, and if it decides to kick Trump to the curb, there will be no violation of Trump's freedom of speech either.

    Once again, freedom of speech =/= freedom from the economic and social consequences of your speech.
    Once again, the point is not about violating free speech, but civility.

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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Once again, the point is not about violating free speech, but civility.
    If the point is only that people should exercise their freedom of speech in civil and responsible ways, these people are furthering that cause by challenging, boycotting and reprimanding one of the least civil and responsible speakers of all.

    I think any incident of economic retaliation against Donald Trump -- a man who spews factual inaccuracies and offensive comments practically with every breath -- would be one of the last I would use to try and make the point you are trying to make.
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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    If the point is only that people should exercise their freedom of speech in civil and responsible ways, these people are furthering that cause by challenging, boycotting and reprimanding one of the least civil and responsible speakers of all.

    I think any incident of economic retaliation against Donald Trump -- a man who spews factual inaccuracies and offensive comments practically with every breath -- would be one of the last I would use to try and make the point you are trying to make.
    I think the protest is about the ad that Macy's is running with Trump and Santa. The santa is from Miracle on 34th St. and Trump is not believing he is real.

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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I think the protest is about the ad that Macy's is running with Trump and Santa. The santa is from Miracle on 34th St. and Trump is not believing he is real.
    I don't agree with that. The protest is about Macy's overall relation with Trump, and the reasons they don't want the relationship to continue have nothing to do with a Santa ad.

    Macy's has a special deal with Donald Trump. They invest in developing Trump's brand and sell his clothing line and fragrance at their locations. To this end, they have had major events at Macy's Herald Square location and they often feature and promote Trump in advertisements designed to celebrate the magic of Macy's.

    Recently, Macy's CEO Terry Lundgren sent Donald Trump a letter touting how excited Macy's was to be working with Trump and promising to expand Trump's brand even further than it already is.

    But, why is Macy's celebrating Trump?

    Donald Trump engages in especially unpleasant, nasty and despicable behavior. He has:

    - Long engaged in sexist behavior. Trump has a long record of personally attacking women he disagrees by calling them "unattractive," ugly or fat. He once sent a target a personal note telling her that she has the "face of a dog." Not even his own daughter is immune to Trump's sexism. While referring to his daughter, Trump observed: "She does have a very nice figure...if [she] weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her."

    - Hypocritically complained about jobs being shipped overseas to China, despite the fact that almost his entire clothing line sold at Macy's is made in China and other Asian nations.

    - Use his public platform to deny the reality of climate change. Following Hurricane Sandy, Trump publicly declared: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

    - Perpetuated the racially charged birther conspiracy, repeatedly arguing that President Obama has been lying and was not born in the United States.

    The list goes on. But the point remains, Macy's should dump Trump.

    Macy's boasts about its social responsibility policy, which reads: "There is no shortage of talk about the obligation of public companies to be socially responsible to the people and communities where they do business. At Macy’s, Inc., we hold those same beliefs – along with a belief that actions speak louder than words when it comes to helping tackle some of the toughest problems facing us today."

    Indeed Macy's. Actions speak louder than words. So, act and dump Trump.
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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    If the point is only that people should exercise their freedom of speech in civil and responsible ways, these people are furthering that cause by challenging, boycotting and reprimanding one of the least civil and responsible speakers of all.

    I think any incident of economic retaliation against Donald Trump -- a man who spews factual inaccuracies and offensive comments practically with every breath -- would be one of the last I would use to try and make the point you are trying to make.
    Silencing others by harassing associates is not civil or responsible, IMO. Two wrongs dont make a right, in effect.

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    Re: Over 470,000 sign petition urging Macy's to dump Donald Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Primarily against conservatives?

    I guess because it happened years ago we should forget what the right wing did against the Dixie Chicks.
    The Dixie Chicks were a pro-USA country band. When they were overseas in Europe they bad mouthed the USA and they lost their support here.
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