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Elmo the Pedophile

ChrisL said:
The differences between the psychiatric categorizations of these particular sexual deviancies.
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Who do I feel like I'm on a merry go round? Good freaking Lord... :doh :spin: :screwy
 
melons said:
Are you trying to set me up for something? Yes a 16 year old is a child - a more mature child than a 10 year old but still a child.
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At what age do you consider people adults?
 
ChrisL said:
For me, the answer is a big time YES. If you've ever been exposed to 15, 16 and even 17-year-olds, you would realize that they ARE still children. Of course, there are always exceptions but generally speaking, yes 16-year-olds are mentally, emotionally and, yes, even sometimes physically still children.
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At what age do you consider people adults?
 
Middleground said:
At what age do you consider people adults?
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Although I think that in some cases, an individual can surpass expectations at a specific age or be not up to par to expectations, I think that 18 is a good age. At least the kid has had a chance to finish school for God's sake.
 
Middleground said:
Who do I feel like I'm on a merry go round? Good freaking Lord... :doh :spin: :screwy
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There is no spin. I'm just trying to get you to understand that there are different "levels" of sexual deviance when it involves children. IOW, those who are specifically targeting teens are placed in a different category than those who would target prepubescent children.
 
Let's look at this from a common sense perspective. Go search teen automobile accidents, teen pregnancies, and other teen-related incidents, and you will see that they most certainly for the most part do NOT conduct themselves as MOST adults do (again, there are always exceptions :lol:).

It is MUCH easier for, say an adult male to coerce or manipulate a 16-year-old child than it would be an 18 or 20-year-old in general. The brain does develop rapidly, but there should be a more uniform age of consent when it comes to adults and teens.

All of these things about the brain functions of teenagers are pretty new discoveries. We are learning new things all the time. The newest studies and data have discovered that teenage brains are NOT fully developed yet, hence the reason why they are a lot of times careless and have no fear, and why they bully and show little empathy towards others. It all makes perfect sense IMO.
 
If (IF) its proven true, then anyone that can justify a 45 year old engaging in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old...well...you have a ****ed up perspective in my book. And if so at 16, then why not 13? Why not 12?

As for when someone becomes an 'adult'...well...thats all very relative, isnt it? Based on any number of factors the brain fully develops at 21/22 for women and 25/26 for men. For insurance purposes we have decided 'children' cant be responsible for their own health care til they are 26. Bill Clinton classified 'children' as anyone up to the age of 25 for his gun statistics. 18 is generally considered an 'adult' for the ability to make choices independent of their parents. So...it obvious varies. Still...if you think a 16 year old is playing on the same intellectual and emotional plane as a 45 year old...
 
I just have to make one more point on this topic. A 16-year-old is most certainly still a child for another reason in that the parents are going to be directly affected, financially, emotionally, etc., whenever something happens to that child. If that child gets pregnant, the parents will be responsible for not only the pregnant child, but also the new baby.

Unless you support throwing your 16-year-old out of the house and letting he or she fend for themselves in the world, then YES they are still children and dependent upon their parents for survival. One of many reasons why a 16-year-old is still a child.
 
VanceMack said:
If (IF) its proven true, then anyone that can justify a 45 year old engaging in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old...well...you have a ****ed up perspective in my book. And if so at 16, then why not 13? Why not 12?

As for when someone becomes an 'adult'...well...thats all very relative, isnt it? Based on any number of factors the brain fully develops at 21/22 for women and 25/26 for men. For insurance purposes we have decided 'children' cant be responsible for their own health care til they are 26. Bill Clinton classified 'children' as anyone up to the age of 25 for his gun statistics. 18 is generally considered an 'adult' for the ability to make choices independent of their parents. So...it obvious varies. Still...if you think a 16 year old is playing on the same intellectual and emotional plane as a 45 year old...
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Well I'm not saying its ok if he actually did and it would be weird that someone came out and said he did 7 years later anyways. What I am saying is a 16 year old kills a guy we don't try them as minors now do we?
 
JohnWOlin said:
Well I'm not saying its ok if he actually did and it would be weird that someone came out and said he did 7 years later anyways. What I am saying is a 16 year old kills a guy we don't try them as minors now do we?
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We should though, given what we know now. Kids would be the MOST likely candidates for rehabilitation.
 
ChrisL said:
Although I think that in some cases, an individual can surpass expectations at a specific age or be not up to par to expectations, I think that 18 is a good age. At least the kid has had a chance to finish school for God's sake.
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So then, based-on your judgement, an eighteen year old (an adult IYO) having sex with a 16 year-old (a child IYO) would be considered a pedophile.

Gotcha.
 
Middleground said:
So then, based-on your judgement, an eighteen year old (an adult IYO) having sex with a 16 year-old (a child IYO) would be considered a pedophile.

Gotcha.
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I don't know where you got that from. :lol: I don't think you even read my posts at all because *whooosh*
 
Middleground said:
At what age do you consider people adults?
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No earlier than 18 - and no later than 21. I think at the age of 18 a person can prove themselves to be an adult and by 21 all should be considered an adult (tho there are some I do wonder about)
 
JohnWOlin said:
Well I'm not saying its ok if he actually did and it would be weird that someone came out and said he did 7 years later anyways. What I am saying is a 16 year old kills a guy we don't try them as minors now do we?
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Depends on the circumstance. For that matter we have tried kids much younger as adults for committing adult crimes (I believe 11 is the youngest-kid in Pennsylvania that killed his parents). So...you are suggesting that all things being equal then 50 year old men should be able to target 11 year olds? Kinda sick...
 
Middleground said:
So then, based-on your judgement, an eighteen year old (an adult IYO) having sex with a 16 year-old (a child IYO) would be considered a pedophile.

Gotcha.
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I'm going to ask you a question now. Do you think that a 16-year-old is an adult? And if so, explain why please.
 
ChrisL said:
I don't know where you got that from. :lol: I don't think you even read my posts at all because *whooosh*
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Did you not say that, in your opinion, a 16 year old is considered a child?
Did you not say that, in your opinion, an 18 year old is considered an adult?
The legal term used to describe an adult who has had sex with a child: pedophile

So where am I off base?
 
Middleground said:
Did you not say that, in your opinion, a 16 year old is considered a child?
Did you not say that, in your opinion, an 18 year old is considered an adult?
The legal term used to describe an adult who has had sex with a child: pedophile

So where am I off base?
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No, I didn't say that. I said that 18 would be a good age of consent, rather than 16. I never said I considered an 18-year-old an adult (although some most certainly are). And again, you are misusing the term pedophile. A pedophile is one who targets prepubescent children.
 
Middleground said:
No, I don't. But I don't think they are children either.
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They are children at a different level of development. Until one is FULLY developed, they are not an adult. Boobs and pubic hair don't make one an adult.

Also, since the vast majority of 16-year-olds are still dependent upon their parents for survival, I would think that would qualify them as still children.
 
Fisher said:
Romney, of course, would never subsidize such behavior, Obama would :2wave:

Kevin Clash: Voice of Sesame Street's Elmo accused of having 'sexual relationship with underage boy' | Mail Online

The man who voices the puppet of Elmo on Sesame Street has taken leave amid allegations he had a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old boy.

Kevin Clash, 52, has taken a leave of absence from the popular children's show after the programme's lawyers were contacted by a 23-year-old man who claims he had a sexual relationship with the puppeteer seven years ago, when he was aged 16.

TMZ, who reported the allegations, said that Mr Clash had admitted he had a relationship with the man, but only after the accuser was an adult and said the accusations were both false and defamatory.
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Prove your allegation against Obama otherwise its a fart in the wind.
 
Here's an interesting little factoid for you.

Teen Drivers: Fact Sheet

Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens.1 In 2010, seven teens ages 16 to 19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries. Per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are three times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash.2 Fortunately, teen motor vehicle crashes are preventable, and proven strategies can improve the safety of young drivers on the road.

How big is the problem?
In 2010, about 2,700 teens in the United States aged 16–19 were killed and almost 282,000 were treated and released from emergency departments for injuries suffered in motor-vehicle crashes.1

Young people ages 15-24 represent only 14% of the U.S. population. However, they account for 30% ($19 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among males and 28% ($7 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among females.3
 
ChrisL said:
No, I didn't say that. I said that 18 would be a good age of consent, rather than 16. I never said I considered an 18-year-old an adult (although some most certainly are). And again, you are misusing the term pedophile. A pedophile is one who targets prepubescent children.
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And you misuse the term child. A child is a child is a child. A 16 year-old should not be considered a child in the eyes of the law. A teen and/or minor, yes, but not a child. And this brings up my first post of this merry-go-round banter. Though Clash is not a pedopile, he showed a lack of judgement in the allegations prove to be true. And as a result, should be fired.
 
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