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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    It is tougher but it happens with relatively small age gaps (I don’t have exact ages). Of course, Texas being Texas, there appears to be some gender bias to the verdicts. Plus, that there are charges at all, with the defense costs, and potential the consequences and every time something goes to trial being a crapshoot?

    There was already a generic statute on the books to cover rape via abuse of position. The person that wrote this bill and brought it to the Legislature even weighed in publicly on a recent case and said that her intention had NOT been to include 18 year-olds, that was an amendment that was made once it got to the floor.

    Classic overreach.
    I don't think it's overreaching at all. Teachers should not have sexual relationships with students, whether a student initiates it or the teacher initiates it. It is unethical for many different reasons. I would like to see those teachers prosecuted to the full extent of the law for abusing their authority. Also, they should be fired immediately if allegations are proven and NEVER allowed to be a teacher again.

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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think it's overreaching at all. Teachers should not have sexual relationships with students, whether a student initiates it or the teacher initiates it. It is unethical for many different reasons. I would like to see those teachers prosecuted to the full extent of the law for abusing their authority. Also, they should be fired immediately if allegations are proven and NEVER allowed to be a teacher again.
    As already covered, it isn’t just teachers and there is absolutely no requirement to show abuse of authority. Abuse of authority for coercion is already covered by other law. If that is the case the State may already bring prosecution.

    Fire them? *shrug* Jail for a number of years? Very clearly absurd do-gooder Puritanism run amuck.
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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope. No you didn't, and I would appreciate it if you would address them. Here they are AGAIN since you seem to keep missing them.
    I answered the question. You just don’t happen to like it, or you are to slow to put it together. This law inserts the State into a decision between two consenting adults over a matter that concerns no one else. No state interest to override individual rights.

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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Take it up with the American Psychiatric Association. Sexual attraction to teenagers (where one is ONLY sexually attracted to teens) is a legitimate DSM-IV diagnosis.
    People that have a vested interest in labeling things don't hold my interest.

    Nothing is going th change human instinct.

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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight View Post
    As already covered, it isn’t just teachers and there is absolutely no requirement to show abuse of authority. Abuse of authority for coercion is already covered by other law. If that is the case the State may already bring prosecution.

    Fire them? *shrug* Jail for a number of years? Very clearly absurd do-gooder Puritanism run amuck.
    Okay, I could agree with that. If the "student" is 18 or over, the teacher should just be fired. I guess there is no reason for jail time since the student is of or over age of consent. But the teacher should still be fired because it is ethically wrong for teachers to have that kind of relationship with students.

    Like I said, and like you failed to address, that particular teacher could surely use his/her authority over that student. Also, the student could possibly blackmail the teacher. A teacher/student sexual relationship is not only not a good idea but can have lots of unintended consequences.

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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Like I said, and like you failed to address, that particular teacher could surely use his/her authority over that student.
    I strongly disagree. If you go back through my posts, you should find that rather you failed to notice me repeatedly address that.
    Also, the student could possibly blackmail the teacher.
    Blackmail’s power comes from the [expected] opinions of others, such as laws that make something illegal, not from the actual actions of the person. So this law empowers blackmail, can create and increase that potential for blackmail.
    A teacher/student sexual relationship is not only not a good idea but can have lots of unintended consequences.
    Which is a professional matter, not a criminal matter.

    Until actual coercion happens, then there are the existing laws. Which is why I am uncomfortable with this law’s existence at all, the ignoring of age is just the most egregious portion of it.

    But check this out, the law doesn’t even stop teacher/student sex. If you are married to that cute 8th grader at the front of the row in 3rd period, bang away!

    See, once upon a time there was a 17 year-old and a 27 year-old that decided to get married. The parents of the 17 year-old felt the 27 year-old was a fine man, and agreed to the marriage. The marriage license was obtained and 4 days later…the 27 year-old thrown in jail facing trial, because people wigged out and this law enabled it, really encouraged it, and now the 27 year-old is on trail because of suspicion of pre-marital sex even though the intent to marry was clearly demonstrated but thwarted though aid by the very law itself. It is like we rolled back the GD clocks 60(?) years.
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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

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    I strongly disagree. If you go back through my posts, you should find that rather you failed to notice me repeatedly address that.
    Sorry, but you didn't address my specific questions, but whatever. You only said that you want to adults to be able to make those decisions regardless of the situation, or at least that's what I got out of it.

    Blackmail’s power comes from the [expected] opinions of others, such as laws that make something illegal, not from the actual actions of the person. So this law empowers blackmail, can create and increase that potential for blackmail.
    I'm not talking premeditated blackmail here, but blackmail as a result of bad feelings due to a sexual relationship gone bad (which is most times the case with a teacher/student relationship), and that is when unintended consequences happen as a result of this unethical type of relationship. I agree with you though, that if there is a college student (an adult) who attends one school and has a fling with a teacher who teaches at another school, that it would be ridiculous to bring charges against anyone in that case.

    Which is a professional matter, not a criminal matter.
    That depends on the age of the student.

    Until actual coercion happens, then there are the existing laws. Which is why I am uncomfortable with this law’s existence at all, the ignoring of age is just the most egregious portion of it.
    I still think that if the student and teacher attend the same school, a sexual relationship is completely inappropriate regardless of ages.

    But check this out, the law doesn’t even stop teacher/student sex. If you are married to that cute 8th grader at the front of the row in 3rd period, bang away!
    You are aware that an 8th grader is only 13 or 14 years old right? That is highly illegal in MOST states and even in those where it is legal, there are a LOT of hoops to jump through to actually marry a 13 or 14-year-old child if you are an adult. That comment is just kind of creepy to be honest. How old are YOU anyway, if you don't mind me asking.


    See, once upon a time there was a 17 year-old and a 27 year-old that decided to get married. The parents of the 17 year-old felt the 27 year-old was a fine man, and agreed to the marriage. The marriage license was obtained and 4 days later…the 27 year-old thrown in jail facing trial, because people wigged out and this law enabled it, really encouraged it, and now the 27 year-old is on trail because of suspicion of pre-marital sex even though the intent to marry was clearly demonstrated but thwarted. It is like we rolled back the GD clocks 60(?) years.
    Just because parents agree to a marriage, that does not mean the parents are right either. However, I believe that if this man had followed the rules he would not have been thrown in jail. I believe in MOST states that it is perfectly legal to marry a 17-year-old with parental permission, so there is probably more to this story than meets the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    or at least that’s what I got out of it.
    Yes. That part is clear.
    I’m not talking premeditated blackmail here, but blackmail as a result of bad feelings due to a sexual relationship gone bad
    The same applies. Because with the law even relationships that have no ethical issues now have the threat of blackmail. ((see my past explanations to you of the extent of the reach of the law))
    That depends on the age of the student.
    Which this law very explicitly takes out of the equation.
    I still think that if the student and teacher attend the same school, a sexual relationship is completely inappropriate regardless of ages.
    Yet this law reaches further than even that. Beyond teachers and beyond the school the student is attending.

    You are aware that an 8th grader is only 13 or 14 years old right?
    Very aware.

    How old are YOU anyway, if you don’t mind me asking.
    Old enough that I have an 18 year-old in Grade 12.
    Just because parents agree to a marriage, that does not mean the parents are right either.
    What? Right about what? In what way? The same way that just because two 30 year-olds agree to get married does not mean they are right?
    However, I believe that if this man had followed the rules he would not have been thrown in jail.
    You can believe all you want, you seriously misunderstand how the justice system functions.
    I believe in MOST states that it is perfectly legal to marry a 17-year-old with parental permission, so there is probably more to this story than meets the eye.
    “More than meets the eye” being immediate and salacious suspicion driving a puritanical witch hunt. You aren’t from ‘round here, right?

    There have been teachers put on trial with the evidence amounting to flirtatious Text messages. Eventually found innocent but time in jail and expense of trials anyway.
    Last edited by Dwight; 11-16-12 at 12:19 PM.

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    Re: Elmo the Pedophile

    I never liked Elmo.

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