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    Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Job seekers will soon have a harder time finding full-time work, thanks to Obamacare. As of 2014... it will have the unintended effect of making part-time employees more desirable than full-timers.


    ... if a business with more than 49 full-time employees fails to offer insurance coverage, it will be required to pay a fine. ...the fine will apply starting not with the 50th employee, but with the 31st. At $2,000 per employee after the first 30, these fines add up fast. A business that surpasses the threshold by just one full-time employee will face $40,000 each year in penalties.


    Businesses that can easily substitute part-time for full-time labor — in particular restaurants, hotels, and retailers — will have a strong incentive to do so.

    The Wall Street Journal reports that Carl’s Jr., Hardee’s, Red Lobster, and Olive Garden are already planning to hire part-timers instead of full-timers at some or all of their locations. Other employers will restrict their current full-time employees to 30 hours a week so that they will be considered part-time under the law. And, of course, some businesses will opt to stay smaller.

    France provides an instructive example: There, 50 employees is the magic threshold for whether labor regulations apply. And — no surprise — the country “has more than 2.4 times as many firms with 49 employees as with 50,” Jed Graham notes in Investor’s Business Daily.



    All this is terrible news for an already bleak labor market. Congressional Budget Office director Doug Elmendorf has estimated that Obamacare as a whole will cost something like 800,000 jobs, and a CBO analysis noted the pressure that many companies will face to hire fewer full-time workers.


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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Parasite Nation imparting a hard political and economic lesson. Consequences happen.
    About the only lesson I take from this is that labor laws need reformed and that Obamacare needs to be amended to tax John H. Schnatter the full value of a castle and a golf course to help finance the legislation. The more corporations push back, the further they have to be pushed.
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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Parasite Nation imparting a hard political and economic lesson. Consequences happen.
    Very true. Maggie Thatcher explained it very neatly 30 years ago, but some people just keep trying the same old thing while hoping for a different outcome.
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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Isn't a 30 hour work week what the progressives want?

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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Isn't a 30 hour work week what the progressives want?
    The Federal number for employees to be considered full-time used to be 20 hours per week. Paid vacations counted toward that number...paid holidays...everything. The laws was such in order to avoid exactly what we're going to see here: business owners avoiding having to provide benefits to their employees -- but being able to provide them to themselves.

    That 30-hour rule? I wonder when it was changed?** It needs to go back to 20. That number makes it very difficult for businesses to play that game.

    **I'm beginning to think the 30-hour rule only applies to the AHA. That means the plan intentionally exempts most fast-food/restaurant/retail employees. WTF? Why is this bad, you say? Because the government will subsidize most of these people. Taxes won't go up....no, they won't. Ha!

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    Oh, I see. Yes, that's right. AHA intentionally raised those hours to 30 a week. Slick, huh?
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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Layoffs are making a rise as well.

    Calls to boycott Applebee's after CEO threatens hiring freeze and layoffs over Obamacare

    "Move over Chick-fil-A, fast food is getting political again.

    Papa John's came under fire this week when CEO John Schnatter floated a plan to cut worker hours to reduce spiking employee health care costs under the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.

    Now, Applebee's is being boycotted after a major New York area Applebee's franchise owner Zane Tankel threatened a hiring freeze and possible layoffs as a result of the president's healthcare plan."
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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    About the only lesson I take from this is that labor laws need reformed and that Obamacare needs to be amended to tax John H. Schnatter the full value of a castle and a golf course to help finance the legislation. The more corporations push back, the further they have to be pushed.
    Liberal kittens are so cute when they think they are the lion. $20 donations did not pay for Obama's campaign--huge corporations did. Boycott all the fast food in the world. It is free publicity for them. Guess what? Corporations are going to force the liberals to do something they have wanted to do all along--create a single payer system. Obamacare is going to allow big business to dump a ton of their overhead labor cost onto the government which is great for the corporate bottom line. Obama, however, isn't going to be the one getting the credit. The poor anointed one is going to be the one to get the blame for creating the mess that big business will exploit for every dime it is worth to them. Meow Meow Meow.

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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Isn't a 30 hour work week what the progressives want?
    They tried something like that in France... Epic fail.
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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Liberal kittens are so cute when they think they are the lion. $20 donations did not pay for Obama's campaign--huge corporations did. Boycott all the fast food in the world. It is free publicity for them. Guess what? Corporations are going to force the liberals to do something they have wanted to do all along--create a single payer system. Obamacare is going to allow big business to dump a ton of their overhead labor cost onto the government which is great for the corporate bottom line. Obama, however, isn't going to be the one getting the credit. The poor anointed one is going to be the one to get the blame for creating the mess that big business will exploit for every dime it is worth to them. Meow Meow Meow.
    I don't feel much compulsion to respond because your assertions have no evidence (or explanations) and I'm not curious about them. If you have an argument to make, I'll be waiting.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 11-12-12 at 01:38 PM.
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    Re: Obamacare vs. Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    About the only lesson I take from this is that labor laws need reformed and that Obamacare needs to be amended to tax John H. Schnatter the full value of a castle and a golf course to help finance the legislation. The more corporations push back, the further they have to be pushed.
    You sound like Lenin

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