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NO To ObamaCare Says Florida Governor Rick Scott.....

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Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott says he will not implement the state health insurance exchanges mandated in the 2010 federal health care law despite President Barack Obama's re-election.

The Sarasota Herald-Tribune reports:


Speaking on the New College of Florida campus following a meeting of the state's university governing board, Scott said it will cost taxpayers and business owners too much to expand Medicaid and set up health insurance exchanges as called for under the law.

"No one has been able to show me that that health care exchange is going to do anything rather than raise taxes, raise the cost of our companies to do business," Scott said, adding that expanding Medicaid would also require tax increases.
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Scott is one of many Republican governors who have resisted the state programs required by the law before Election Day, but he's the first to voice continued resistance after the election.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...till-won-t-implement-153204322--election.html


Looks like 28 other Republican Governors need to step up and do what they said too.
 
I get that people don't like it, or at least don't like parts of it, but its time to move on and accept that its the law now. No one wants to keep fighting the same battles over and over and beating the same dead horse over and over again.
 
Expect to hear alot of criticism from the Dems regarding your comments.


Since blasting ObamaCare is a winning political issue, Republicans need to keep blasting away.
 
Wiseone said:
I get that people don't like it, or at least don't like parts of it, but its time to move on and accept that its the law now. No one wants to keep fighting the same battles over and over and beating the same dead horse over and over again.
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Why accept being forced to buy healthcare or accept government involvement in healthcare? Why should people just accept it and move on? I don't see it, sorry. It would appear to me you fight for what you believe in and never stop for anyone. I never saw anyone win by just rolling over, have you?
 
Wiseone said:
I get that people don't like it, or at least don't like parts of it, but its time to move on and accept that its the law now. No one wants to keep fighting the same battles over and over and beating the same dead horse over and over again.
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that not a very good argument...

had folks done what you are suggesting, slavery would still be legal and alcohol would still be illegal ( just 2 extreme examples)

nah, states need to fight for the best interests of their state, whatever that may be.
If obamacare is determined to be bad for a state, i think they need to fight against it... if a state determines it's good, they can feel free to remain silent and implement it.

the whole " our federal lords have spoken, and that's that" is a really really bad argument.
 
Wiseone said:
I get that people don't like it, or at least don't like parts of it, but its time to move on and accept that its the law now. No one wants to keep fighting the same battles over and over and beating the same dead horse over and over again.
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It is never right to accept anything just because it is a law. That is a horrible analysis of the situation. I would recommend that you go back and read some history of our nation and decide if you would had rather some of those people just accepted things because they were law. Try starting with the men and women who tried to get out from under the British rule.
 
Wiseone said:
I get that people don't like it, or at least don't like parts of it, but its time to move on and accept that its the law now. No one wants to keep fighting the same battles over and over and beating the same dead horse over and over again.
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If the federal law required everyone buying a handgun and setting up state handgun training centers would you still feel the same way? After all, that law would probably decrease crime a lot, making each citizen be ever more responsible for their own health and safety. :roll:
 
Thrilla said:
that not a very good argument...

had folks done what you are suggesting, slavery would still be legal and alcohol would still be illegal ( just 2 extreme examples)

nah, states need to fight for the best interests of their state, whatever that may be.
If obamacare is determined to be bad for a state, i think they need to fight against it... if a state determines it's good, they can feel free to remain silent and implement it.

the whole " our federal lords have spoken, and that's that" is a really really bad argument.
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^^^^^ this was all acceptable until the part about remaining silent came in. Moreover several Governors got out on TV and said they wouldn't implement it. Not to mention the Physicians and Surgeons have their Issue in the Court now over the Constitutionality of the 15 Man Panel. Which the Law clearly states that Congress is to Enact any legislations and make laws. Although word is Obama has caved on this part of it so it won't have to run the full course of the Court.
 
Sometimes its time to stop fighting and move on, this isn't slavery, this isn't British rule, this isn't prohibition. What exactly do the Republicans intend to do by fighting it at this point? They don't control the government and can't repeal it, the SCOTUS has said its perfectly legal, the only thing they have left to do is try to make it fail rather than trying to make it succeed.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, its a fact of life and if people didn't stop fighting after its become clear they've lost then nothing would ever get done as we'd be arguing the same issues till the end of time. What if both the Dems and Republicans had the same "never quit fighting" attitude? Are we just going to go in a cycle of repealing and reimplementing Obamacare as Dems and Reps switch control of the government?
 
MMC said:
^^^^^ this was all acceptable until the part about remaining silent came in. Moreover several Governors got out on TV and said they wouldn't implement it. Not to mention the Physicians and Surgeons have their Issue in the Court now over the Constitutionality of the 15 Man Panel. Which the Law clearly states that Congress is to Enact any legislations and make laws. Although word is Obama has caved on this part of it so it won't have to run the full course of the Court.
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my point was that a state is within their rights to NOT fight against Obamacare, if that is what they choose....
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If the federal law required everyone buying a handgun and setting up state handgun training centers would you still feel the same way? After all, that law would probably decrease crime a lot, making each citizen be ever more responsible for their own health and safety. :roll:
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If my grandmother had three wheels she'd be a tricycle, do you have any non hypothetical situations?
 
Wiseone said:
Sometimes its time to stop fighting and move on, this isn't slavery, this isn't British rule, this isn't prohibition. What exactly do the Republicans intend to do by fighting it at this point? They don't control the government and can't repeal it, the SCOTUS has said its perfectly legal, the only thing they have left to do is try to make it fail rather than trying to make it succeed.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, its a fact of life and if people didn't stop fighting after its become clear they've lost then nothing would ever get done as we'd be arguing the same issues till the end of time. What if both the Dems and Republicans had the same "never quit fighting" attitude? Are we just going to go in a cycle of repealing and reimplementing Obamacare as Dems and Reps switch control of the government?
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I'm hoping this opinion is born from you agreeing with Obamacare rather than being born from how you believe people should actually behave.

I honestly think that the whole " it was passed, now shut up and live with it" is offensive.
 
Thrilla said:
I'm hoping this opinion is born from you agreeing with Obamacare rather than being born from how you believe people should actually behave.

I honestly think that the whole " it was passed, now shut up and live with it" is offensive.
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Fine lets keep fighting the same fight till the end of the ****ing world. You know in the past when the SCOTUS ruled on something it typically stayed that way, it provided for a nice source of stability as people werent arguing the same issues over and over and laws weren't being repealed, reimplemented, repealed, etc. But if thats how you want your government to work then I guess that's your opinion.

Yes, shut up and live with it. Its time to start looking at your options with the law in place, not refusing to accept it as being a fact of life now and dealing with it. Let me make perfectly clear, there's no way this law is going to be repealed now, its here to stay.
 
Wiseone said:
If my grandmother had three wheels she'd be a tricycle, do you have any non hypothetical situations?
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Sanctuary cities/states and the leaglization/decriminalization of recreational drugs. Not all federal laws are equally embraced by cities/states. Obamacare was not (and still is not) popular and has thousands of "waivers" including the entire state of NV, Harry Reids precious state. Hmm...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Sanctuary cities/states and the leaglization/decriminalization of recreational drugs. Not all federal laws are equally embraced by cities/states. Obamacare was not (and still is not) popular and has thousands of "waivers" including the entire state of NV, Harry Reids precious state. Hmm...
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I'm not saying its a good law, I'm not saying its a bad law either, I'm saying either way what the hell can you possibly do about it now?
 
Wiseone said:
Sometimes its time to stop fighting and move on, this isn't slavery, this isn't British rule, this isn't prohibition. What exactly do the Republicans intend to do by fighting it at this point? They don't control the government and can't repeal it, the SCOTUS has said its perfectly legal, the only thing they have left to do is try to make it fail rather than trying to make it succeed.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, its a fact of life and if people didn't stop fighting after its become clear they've lost then nothing would ever get done as we'd be arguing the same issues till the end of time. What if both the Dems and Republicans had the same "never quit fighting" attitude? Are we just going to go in a cycle of repealing and reimplementing Obamacare as Dems and Reps switch control of the government?
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In order for a fight to end the other side has to be convinced to stop. There is many things that democrats have passed over the years that they have never convinced the other side to stop fighting against and as such they haven't. Be it abortion, welfare, gun laws, and now this. Telling the other side to just shut up and roll over is entirely fruitless on your part.
 
Wiseone said:
I'm not saying its a good law, I'm not saying its a bad law either, I'm saying either way what the hell can you possibly do about it now?
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Not allocate any state funds to support the Obamacare "state" exchanges. The SCOTUS took away the "Medicaid penalty" that was added to attempt to force the states to play along, so many are choosing not to play the Obamacare exchange game. What can be done about illegal immigration sanctuary cities or the states/cities that allow the "legal" possesion, sale and use of marijuana? Basically the feds can either do it for them or forget about it, just as with Obamacare. States still do have rights, even in the age of "Obama mandates".
 
Wiseone said:
Sometimes its time to stop fighting and move on, this isn't slavery, this isn't British rule, this isn't prohibition. What exactly do the Republicans intend to do by fighting it at this point? They don't control the government and can't repeal it, the SCOTUS has said its perfectly legal, the only thing they have left to do is try to make it fail rather than trying to make it succeed.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, its a fact of life and if people didn't stop fighting after its become clear they've lost then nothing would ever get done as we'd be arguing the same issues till the end of time. What if both the Dems and Republicans had the same "never quit fighting" attitude? Are we just going to go in a cycle of repealing and reimplementing Obamacare as Dems and Reps switch control of the government?
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LOL. The Democrats do not control the government. They do not control the House, they do not control the majority of the governorships, etc. Obama is not the king. There are limits to federalism and you are seeing it. Enjoy the show.
 
Fisher said:
LOL. The Democrats do not control the government. They do not control the House, they do not control the majority of the governorships, etc. Obama is not the king. There are limits to federalism and you are seeing it. Enjoy the show.
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Thats true I oversimplified it.
 
Wiseone said:
I'm not saying its a good law, I'm not saying its a bad law either, I'm saying either way what the hell can you possibly do about it now?
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Everything we can. Just like those on the left. Find any and every loophole, run it into court, call for press coverage, and cry Civil Rights. What do you think happens if 30 States don't take part? Or when doctors quit taking patients and or close up their practices?
 
MMC said:
Everything we can. Just like those on the left. Find any and every loophole, run it into court, call for press coverage, and cry Civil Rights. What do you think happens if 30 States don't take part? Or when doctors quit taking patients and or close up their practices?
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Did you miss the part where it already went to the SCOTUS?
 
Wiseone said:
Did you miss the part where it already went to the SCOTUS?
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Did you miss the Part where the Physicians and Surgeons Association waited and filed suit after the SCOTUS Decided?
 
Wiseone said:
Sometimes its time to stop fighting and move on, this isn't slavery, this isn't British rule, this isn't prohibition. What exactly do the Republicans intend to do by fighting it at this point? They don't control the government and can't repeal it, the SCOTUS has said its perfectly legal, the only thing they have left to do is try to make it fail rather than trying to make it succeed.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, its a fact of life and if people didn't stop fighting after its become clear they've lost then nothing would ever get done as we'd be arguing the same issues till the end of time. What if both the Dems and Republicans had the same "never quit fighting" attitude? Are we just going to go in a cycle of repealing and reimplementing Obamacare as Dems and Reps switch control of the government?
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That is a very, very lame excuse. It's not something important to YOU so you think people should give up. You do realize how very prejudice and backwards that sounds, I hope.
 
There are those who are determined to make Obamacare fail just like those who were determined to make Obama a 1 term president...and we know how that ended don't we?
 
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