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Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

MAcc2007 said:
Gitmo is still open, we are still in Afghanistan, and nobel laureate President Obama is still spreading democracy the old fashion way. The only difference is the media doesn't talk about it daily like they did under Bush.
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And the only alternative we have is the Republican Party who would do all that even more.
 
Good for us I say. No border in this world should be safe for Al-Qaeda to hide behind.
 
The Barbarian said:
So again .. and honestly .. I'm really interested in what we should do .. how to we fight terrorist ...
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Well, I think that first we need to have a deep and honest discussion about why people turn to terrorism and why they hate America so much (and it ain't because they "hate our freedoms" or any nonsense like that). That would be a serious first step in the right direction.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Well, I think that first we need to have a deep and honest discussion about why people turn to terrorism and why they hate America so much (and it ain't because they "hate our freedoms" or any nonsense like that). That would be a serious first step in the right direction.
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I think its too late for that..........
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Well, I think that first we need to have a deep and honest discussion about why people turn to terrorism and why they hate America so much (and it ain't because they "hate our freedoms" or any nonsense like that). That would be a serious first step in the right direction.
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i don't know what we can do to take that step, terrorist attacks that I can recall started in teh 70's.... and now radical Muslims openly declare that their intention is the destruction of the the western world ... how do you convince people that think becoming human bombs and walking into a store to kill people (and themselves) is a rightous thing to do??


The only thing I do know, is when the US is attacked on our soil, I want a response that is so severe that it will cause anyone thinking of doing it again to have 2nd and 3rd thoughts.

Again I’m not for innocent civilians being killed, but until someone can come up with a more effective way, then using drones, I’m not going to be against them. They do kill terrorists, we put no American troop lives in danger, and from all the non biased information I can find they have a better percentage of terrorist deaths to civilian deaths of any other means we have available to us at this time.
 
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specklebang said:
We actually did a great job of that in the past. The first Iraq war. The post-9/11 Afghanistan overthrow of Mullah Omar. But then it whets our appetite for the bloodlust and the money-lust and we enter decade long wars that eat away at our souls. That how we got baby Bush's Iraq war and his extension of the Afghanistan war. We never learn to sat goodbye.

Accomplish the mission and get the **** out. Use all necessary force.
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I don’t think the 1st Iraqi war was finished, if Bush Sr. would have stayed long enough to get Saddam Hussein I would have then called it a success.

I think you are I are close to agreement on this, We shouldn’t be fighting all the wars we are, but when we do decide to get involved for whatever reason, go in with the full force of the US military .. Get the job done, with whatever force is necessary . Then get the hell out.

Basically be that kid in school that you have a hard time enticing into a fight, but when you finally do, he beats the chit out of you …. And that beating is severe enough, that you don’t ever think of giving it another try.
 
Why are Republicans trying so hard to convince the public that using covert operations to kill terrorist is suddenly a bad thing? I certainly prefer using drones over sending either a SpecOps force or an armed bridgade in country only to see them get bogged down in counter-insurgency efforts.

It's funny in an odd way...

Republicans say they believe in having not only a strong military, but using our military resources smartly. Explain how using drones to target our enemies (i.e., members of Al-Quada terrorist or terrorist cells) isn't a smart strategy? I mean, you guys say we should be going after the terrorist "WHEREVER THEY MAY HIDE". How is using drone strikes to kill them as opposed to using an armed military force such a bad move?

As for spreading democracy is concerned, that's what our diplomatic core is for.

TheDemSocialist said:
So your saying is that we have the right to violate the sovereignty of other nations, bomb them, kill their citizens, not confirm the kills, and do it again?
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You folks didn't seem to have a problem with that when GWB was in office. So, why do you suddenly take issue with it now? I mean, Yemen was one of three countries where terrorism first rued its ugly head against the US in the 21st Century - Afghanistan and African were the others. Remember the bombing of the USS Cole? Or have you folks forgotten?
 
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Luna Tick said:
Killing "terrorists" in Yemen is a dumb thing to do. First, we don't know they're terrorists. Second, we kill many more innocent people than those who might be terrorists. We're just helping al Quaida to recruit. You kill one or two (maybe) and then they recruit hundreds. There will be another 9/11 and we'll be asking, "Why do they hate us?" They hate us because we kill their fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers -- and their children. You would hate another country too if they flew drones here and killed your family members.

This is why we need a real left in American politics. The Greens would stop this nonsense. The Democrats are on the right and therefore won't. The Republicans are on the extremist far right and certainly won't stop and will probably start a war with Iran.
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Did you feel this same way when the President used drones to kill terrorist in Pakistan?

You guys crack me up! You really do!!

You complain about radical Muslim extremist - Islamists - taking root using foreign bases to plot their next attack against the US, but when the President root them out in hotbed areas like Yemen, you suddenly go with the "innocent people could get hurt" line. Oh, but wait! Wasn't this the same criticism levelled at former Pres. Clinton when his Administration decided not to go after OBL until it was too late? (Re: collateral damange...last minute missle strike that missed)

Before, President Obama couldn't do enough to take the fight to the terrorist. Now, he's doing too much? You people make me laugh! :lamo...:roll:
 
In retrospect, Saddam turned out to be a gasbag and not a threat to us. I think Bush Sr. did the right thing and I much admired him for that. As for the 2nd Iraq war, we could have been gone after that first wave of shock and awe and we'd be better off for it now.

Your analogy is very good BTW.


The Barbarian said:
I don’t think the 1st Iraqi war was finished, if Bush Sr. would have stayed long enough to get Saddam Hussein I would have then called it a success.

I think you are I are close to agreement on this, We shouldn’t be fighting all the wars we are, but when we do decide to get involved for whatever reason, go in with the full force of the US military .. Get the job done, with whatever force is necessary . Then get the hell out.

Basically be that kid in school that you have a hard time enticing into a fight, but when you finally do, he beats the chit out of you …. And that beating is severe enough, that you don’t ever think of giving it another try.
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Objective Voice said:
Why are Republicans trying so hard to convince the public that using covert operations to kill terrorist is suddenly a bad thing? I certainly prefer using drones over sending either a SpecOps force or an armed bridgade in country only to see them get bogged down in counter-insurgency efforts.

It's funny in an odd way...

Republicans say they believe in having not only a strong military, but using our military resources smartly. Explain how using drones to target our enemies (i.e., members of Al-Quada terrorist or terrorist cells) isn't a smart strategy? I mean, you guys say we should be going after the terrorist "WHEREVER THEY MAY HIDE". How is using drone strikes to kill them as opposed to using an armed military force such a bad move?

As for spreading democracy is concerned, that's what our diplomatic core is for.



You folks didn't seem to have a problem with that when GWB was in office. So, why do you suddenly take issue with it now? I mean, Yemen was one of three countries where terrorism first rued its ugly head against the US in the 21st Century - Afghanistan and African were the others. Remember the bombing of the USS Cole? Or have you folks forgotten?
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You know the answer to this. It's because the President is Barack Obama. If Obama does it, in their eyes it's bad.
 
Wiggen said:
You know the answer to this. It's because the President is Barack Obama. If Obama does it, in their eyes it's bad.
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It's sad, really. Here it is the previous President made it a point to "go after the terrorist wherever they may hide" and most people were perfectly okay with that. But GWB he took his eye off the prize and we got a terrorist insurency in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result that cost us thousands of American lives. But suddenly folks are worried about the impact of collateral damage using targetted drone attacks to kill these same terrorist "wherever they may hide".

IT'S MADDENING!!!

As Republicans, your attitude for killing terrorists/radical Islamists who want nothing more than to do Americans harm was just fine and fully justified when we had a White man who happened to be a Republican in the White House. But when we have a Black man who happens to be a Democrat in the White House who IS taking the fight to the terrorist WITHOUT costing thousands of American lives, suddenly his actions are wrong and why? Because we're killing innocent people? I'm sorry that the terrorist are living among the population and innocent people are dying, but I wonder if those who are now showing so much compassion for innocent foreignors had that same level of compassion for those who lost their lives on 9/11?

Again, you guys really crack me up!
 
Objective Voice said:
It's sad, really. Here it is the previous President made it a point to "go after the terrorist wherever they may hide" and most people were perfectly okay with that. But GWB he took his eye off the prize and we got a terrorist insurency in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result that cost us thousands of American lives. But suddenly folks are worried about the impact of collateral damage using targetted drone attacks to kill these same terrorist "wherever they may hide".

IT'S MADDENING!!!

As Republicans, your attitude for killing terrorists/radical Islamists who want nothing more than to do Americans harm was just fine and fully justified when we had a White man who happened to be a Republican in the White House. But when we have a Black man who happens to be a Democrat in the White House who IS taking the fight to the terrorist WITHOUT costing thousands of American lives, suddenly his actions are wrong and why? Because we're killing innocent people? I'm sorry that the terrorist are living among the population and innocent people are dying, but I wonder if those who are now showing so much compassion for innocent foreignors had that same level of compassion for those who lost their lives on 9/11?

Again, you guys really crack me up!
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I don't mean to sound crude here or anything, but have you been drinking ??? sheeez .. your post made me go back and look at every post and who said what ?? I would suggest you do the same...... it's 90% liberals that are doing the bitching about the drone strikes .... you know liberals .... those that voted for Obama ??? Not Conservatives or Republicans as you keep pointing out ..

Of course you could be another liberal posing as a moderate .......
 
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The Barbarian said:
I don't mean to sound crude here or anything, but have you been drinking ??? sheeez .. your post made me go back and look at every post and who said what ?? I would suggest you do the same...... it's 90% liberals that are doing the bitching about the drone strikes .... you know liberals .... those that voted for Obama ??? Not Conservatives or Republicans as you keep pointing out ..

Of course you could be another liberal posing as a moderate .......
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If that is, in fact, the case, then I apologize to each Republican poster who has been in support of the drone strikes. However, from the posts I've read my criticism stems from comments made by Republicans who have shown themselves to be hypocrits on the matter. They were fine with GWB's call to go after the terrorist wherever they may hide but seem to be condemning Pres. Obama for doing just that. Sorry, but that attitude just does not make sense to me. And so, I will call out the hypocrisy whenever I see it. And if that condemnation needs to be pointed to those on the Left, then so be it!

As for my political lean, it is as I've identified it to be. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevent.
 
Objective Voice said:
If that is, in fact, the case, then I apologize to each Republican poster who has been in support of the drone strikes. However, from the posts I've read my criticism stems from comments made by Republicans who have shown themselves to be hypocrits on the matter. They were fine with GWB's call to go after the terrorist wherever they may hide but seem to be condemning Pres. Obama for doing just that. Sorry, but that attitude just does not make sense to me. And so, I will call out the hypocrisy whenever I see it. And if that condemnation needs to be pointed to those on the Left, then so be it!

As for my political lean, it is as I've identified it to be. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevent.
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Again did you go back and read the posts .. and see who the majority is against these drone attacks ??? If Republicans are guilty of anything .. it is poking fun at those who are now suddenly against a liberal presidents policy on terrorism. For myself I clearly stated that I was for them .. and will continue to support them until anyone can show me a more effective way to kill terrorists.
 
liblady said:
So we just leave the terrorist to do their thing?
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How about just killing the terrorists without killing everyone else in sight? The killing of Osama Bin Laden is an example of how terrorists could be killed by other means without the civillian casualties. Its also worth arming those fighting these people in Pakistan and Yemen and addressing state failure in these two countries.
 
liblady said:
So we just leave the terrorist to do their thing?
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No, we go and arrest them. I nominate everybody opposed to the drone strikes to serve in the posse that goes to these hellholes and effectuates the arrest.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Well, I think that first we need to have a deep and honest discussion about why people turn to terrorism and why they hate America so much (and it ain't because they "hate our freedoms" or any nonsense like that). That would be a serious first step in the right direction.
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I don't care why they hate us, although I expect I could come up with reasons far different from yours. When your house is on fire, you don't take the time to figure out how the fire started. You put out the fire.

Kill them.
 
Red_Dave said:
How about just killing the terrorists without killing everyone else in sight? The killing of Osama Bin Laden is an example of how terrorists could be killed by other means without the civillian casualties. Its also worth arming those fighting these people in Pakistan and Yemen and addressing state failure in these two countries.
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So you're perfectly willing to put american lives at risk in order to kill terrorists? I'd much rather kill them without endangering American lives.
 
Wiggen said:
So you're perfectly willing to put american lives at risk in order to kill terrorists? I'd much rather kill them without endangering American lives.
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I'ld say a 1 to 50 terrorist to civilian ratio is to high a price for that.
 
Wiggen said:
No, we go and arrest them. I nominate everybody opposed to the drone strikes to serve in the posse that goes to these hellholes and effectuates the arrest.
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I'll 2nd that ...
 
Red_Dave said:
How about just killing the terrorists without killing everyone else in sight? The killing of Osama Bin Laden is an example of how terrorists could be killed by other means without the civillian casualties. Its also worth arming those fighting these people in Pakistan and Yemen and addressing state failure in these two countries.
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I think its fair to say that all of these things are occurring at whatever levels they are feasible. The former being the operative word here. Planning a complex commando raid on a single target deep inside Pakistan is a difficult task and requires confidence that the target will be stationary for a significant period of time, sometimes for weeks. It also exposes much more risk and can snowball if gone wrong. As for arming groups and providing state support we've been doing that for years and at high financial outlay, in Yemen we have handed off some of that burden to the GCC but we remain involved, in Pakistan we have been conducting an aggressive civil and economic assistance campaign as well as supporting the Pakistani military.
 
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So you're perfectly willing to put american lives at risk in order to kill terrorists? I'd much rather kill them without endangering American lives.
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But it's harder to urinate on them if we kill them with drones.
 
Wiggen said:
I don't care why they hate us, although I expect I could come up with reasons far different from yours. When your house is on fire, you don't take the time to figure out how the fire started. You put out the fire.

Kill them.
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If you don't figure out why there are terrorists you'll be killing forever.

That is not an sound economic or logical conclusion to come to.
 
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