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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    We actually did a great job of that in the past. The first Iraq war. The post-9/11 Afghanistan overthrow of Mullah Omar. But then it whets our appetite for the bloodlust and the money-lust and we enter decade long wars that eat away at our souls. That how we got baby Bush's Iraq war and his extension of the Afghanistan war. We never learn to sat goodbye.

    Accomplish the mission and get the **** out. Use all necessary force.
    I don’t think the 1st Iraqi war was finished, if Bush Sr. would have stayed long enough to get Saddam Hussein I would have then called it a success.

    I think you are I are close to agreement on this, We shouldn’t be fighting all the wars we are, but when we do decide to get involved for whatever reason, go in with the full force of the US military .. Get the job done, with whatever force is necessary . Then get the hell out.

    Basically be that kid in school that you have a hard time enticing into a fight, but when you finally do, he beats the chit out of you …. And that beating is severe enough, that you don’t ever think of giving it another try.

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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Why are Republicans trying so hard to convince the public that using covert operations to kill terrorist is suddenly a bad thing? I certainly prefer using drones over sending either a SpecOps force or an armed bridgade in country only to see them get bogged down in counter-insurgency efforts.

    It's funny in an odd way...

    Republicans say they believe in having not only a strong military, but using our military resources smartly. Explain how using drones to target our enemies (i.e., members of Al-Quada terrorist or terrorist cells) isn't a smart strategy? I mean, you guys say we should be going after the terrorist "WHEREVER THEY MAY HIDE". How is using drone strikes to kill them as opposed to using an armed military force such a bad move?

    As for spreading democracy is concerned, that's what our diplomatic core is for.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So your saying is that we have the right to violate the sovereignty of other nations, bomb them, kill their citizens, not confirm the kills, and do it again?
    You folks didn't seem to have a problem with that when GWB was in office. So, why do you suddenly take issue with it now? I mean, Yemen was one of three countries where terrorism first rued its ugly head against the US in the 21st Century - Afghanistan and African were the others. Remember the bombing of the USS Cole? Or have you folks forgotten?
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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Killing "terrorists" in Yemen is a dumb thing to do. First, we don't know they're terrorists. Second, we kill many more innocent people than those who might be terrorists. We're just helping al Quaida to recruit. You kill one or two (maybe) and then they recruit hundreds. There will be another 9/11 and we'll be asking, "Why do they hate us?" They hate us because we kill their fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers -- and their children. You would hate another country too if they flew drones here and killed your family members.

    This is why we need a real left in American politics. The Greens would stop this nonsense. The Democrats are on the right and therefore won't. The Republicans are on the extremist far right and certainly won't stop and will probably start a war with Iran.
    Did you feel this same way when the President used drones to kill terrorist in Pakistan?

    You guys crack me up! You really do!!

    You complain about radical Muslim extremist - Islamists - taking root using foreign bases to plot their next attack against the US, but when the President root them out in hotbed areas like Yemen, you suddenly go with the "innocent people could get hurt" line. Oh, but wait! Wasn't this the same criticism levelled at former Pres. Clinton when his Administration decided not to go after OBL until it was too late? (Re: collateral damange...last minute missle strike that missed)

    Before, President Obama couldn't do enough to take the fight to the terrorist. Now, he's doing too much? You people make me laugh! ...

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    In retrospect, Saddam turned out to be a gasbag and not a threat to us. I think Bush Sr. did the right thing and I much admired him for that. As for the 2nd Iraq war, we could have been gone after that first wave of shock and awe and we'd be better off for it now.

    Your analogy is very good BTW.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I don’t think the 1st Iraqi war was finished, if Bush Sr. would have stayed long enough to get Saddam Hussein I would have then called it a success.

    I think you are I are close to agreement on this, We shouldn’t be fighting all the wars we are, but when we do decide to get involved for whatever reason, go in with the full force of the US military .. Get the job done, with whatever force is necessary . Then get the hell out.

    Basically be that kid in school that you have a hard time enticing into a fight, but when you finally do, he beats the chit out of you …. And that beating is severe enough, that you don’t ever think of giving it another try.

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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why are Republicans trying so hard to convince the public that using covert operations to kill terrorist is suddenly a bad thing? I certainly prefer using drones over sending either a SpecOps force or an armed bridgade in country only to see them get bogged down in counter-insurgency efforts.

    It's funny in an odd way...

    Republicans say they believe in having not only a strong military, but using our military resources smartly. Explain how using drones to target our enemies (i.e., members of Al-Quada terrorist or terrorist cells) isn't a smart strategy? I mean, you guys say we should be going after the terrorist "WHEREVER THEY MAY HIDE". How is using drone strikes to kill them as opposed to using an armed military force such a bad move?

    As for spreading democracy is concerned, that's what our diplomatic core is for.



    You folks didn't seem to have a problem with that when GWB was in office. So, why do you suddenly take issue with it now? I mean, Yemen was one of three countries where terrorism first rued its ugly head against the US in the 21st Century - Afghanistan and African were the others. Remember the bombing of the USS Cole? Or have you folks forgotten?
    You know the answer to this. It's because the President is Barack Obama. If Obama does it, in their eyes it's bad.
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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You know the answer to this. It's because the President is Barack Obama. If Obama does it, in their eyes it's bad.
    It's sad, really. Here it is the previous President made it a point to "go after the terrorist wherever they may hide" and most people were perfectly okay with that. But GWB he took his eye off the prize and we got a terrorist insurency in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result that cost us thousands of American lives. But suddenly folks are worried about the impact of collateral damage using targetted drone attacks to kill these same terrorist "wherever they may hide".

    IT'S MADDENING!!!

    As Republicans, your attitude for killing terrorists/radical Islamists who want nothing more than to do Americans harm was just fine and fully justified when we had a White man who happened to be a Republican in the White House. But when we have a Black man who happens to be a Democrat in the White House who IS taking the fight to the terrorist WITHOUT costing thousands of American lives, suddenly his actions are wrong and why? Because we're killing innocent people? I'm sorry that the terrorist are living among the population and innocent people are dying, but I wonder if those who are now showing so much compassion for innocent foreignors had that same level of compassion for those who lost their lives on 9/11?

    Again, you guys really crack me up!

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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's sad, really. Here it is the previous President made it a point to "go after the terrorist wherever they may hide" and most people were perfectly okay with that. But GWB he took his eye off the prize and we got a terrorist insurency in Iraq and Afghanistan as a result that cost us thousands of American lives. But suddenly folks are worried about the impact of collateral damage using targetted drone attacks to kill these same terrorist "wherever they may hide".

    IT'S MADDENING!!!

    As Republicans, your attitude for killing terrorists/radical Islamists who want nothing more than to do Americans harm was just fine and fully justified when we had a White man who happened to be a Republican in the White House. But when we have a Black man who happens to be a Democrat in the White House who IS taking the fight to the terrorist WITHOUT costing thousands of American lives, suddenly his actions are wrong and why? Because we're killing innocent people? I'm sorry that the terrorist are living among the population and innocent people are dying, but I wonder if those who are now showing so much compassion for innocent foreignors had that same level of compassion for those who lost their lives on 9/11?

    Again, you guys really crack me up!

    I don't mean to sound crude here or anything, but have you been drinking ??? sheeez .. your post made me go back and look at every post and who said what ?? I would suggest you do the same...... it's 90% liberals that are doing the bitching about the drone strikes .... you know liberals .... those that voted for Obama ??? Not Conservatives or Republicans as you keep pointing out ..

    Of course you could be another liberal posing as a moderate .......
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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Its everyone else unfortunate enough to be in the area that im concerned about.
    So we just leave the terrorist to do their thing?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I don't mean to sound crude here or anything, but have you been drinking ??? sheeez .. your post made me go back and look at every post and who said what ?? I would suggest you do the same...... it's 90% liberals that are doing the bitching about the drone strikes .... you know liberals .... those that voted for Obama ??? Not Conservatives or Republicans as you keep pointing out ..

    Of course you could be another liberal posing as a moderate .......
    If that is, in fact, the case, then I apologize to each Republican poster who has been in support of the drone strikes. However, from the posts I've read my criticism stems from comments made by Republicans who have shown themselves to be hypocrits on the matter. They were fine with GWB's call to go after the terrorist wherever they may hide but seem to be condemning Pres. Obama for doing just that. Sorry, but that attitude just does not make sense to me. And so, I will call out the hypocrisy whenever I see it. And if that condemnation needs to be pointed to those on the Left, then so be it!

    As for my political lean, it is as I've identified it to be. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevent.

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    Re: Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If that is, in fact, the case, then I apologize to each Republican poster who has been in support of the drone strikes. However, from the posts I've read my criticism stems from comments made by Republicans who have shown themselves to be hypocrits on the matter. They were fine with GWB's call to go after the terrorist wherever they may hide but seem to be condemning Pres. Obama for doing just that. Sorry, but that attitude just does not make sense to me. And so, I will call out the hypocrisy whenever I see it. And if that condemnation needs to be pointed to those on the Left, then so be it!

    As for my political lean, it is as I've identified it to be. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevent.
    Again did you go back and read the posts .. and see who the majority is against these drone attacks ??? If Republicans are guilty of anything .. it is poking fun at those who are now suddenly against a liberal presidents policy on terrorism. For myself I clearly stated that I was for them .. and will continue to support them until anyone can show me a more effective way to kill terrorists.

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