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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Wow, big development. What will happen federally and will this be the beginning of a trend? I hope so. Thoughts?
    Unless these laws start aggregating across the many states instead of just two, the federal government will do all it can to keep its mits in this.
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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree in principal but my question stands; What makes people think this legislation will make the criminal networks currently supplying drugs disappear?

    I predict one or two small ventures will establish the taxed, regulated and controlled legal businesses in the state but the vast majority of users either won't want (because it's inconvenient, expensive, poor choice, don't trust the government) or be able to (because it's too far away, they're under 21) to buy there. The criminal networks, with all the negatives that come with them, will still exist. They could even benefit, from greater public acceptance and reduced police resources aimed in their direction.

    I don't pretend to have the answer. I just don't think this should be seen as some kind of end game magically solving all the problems. The idea that you can shift the laws around cannabis to be like those for alcohol or tobacco and the social structures around them will suddenly shift too is either naive or dishonest in the extreme.
    If the legal sellers can sell for say 75% of the street price, they will have an expanding business.
    How high could the cost of goods sold be on legal marijuana?
    I suspect most of the current cost comes from it being an illegal business.
    Think about Joe farmer, has farming equipment, Tractors, Plows, seeders, hay cutters and balers.
    How much legal pot could one grow on a 40 acre field?
    A low end modern wheat field can get 1800 lbs per acre, so a 40 acre field
    could yield 72000 lbs. I bet there is a much higher yield from marijuana than wheat.
    Current wheat prices are about 20 cents per pound, so I think it may be safe to say it costs
    less than 20 cents per pound to grow wheat. I suspect it would be less for marijuana.
    So the farmer sell his crop for $4.00 per pound in round bales, The 25% tax makes it $5.00 per pound.
    The Distributor processes the marijuana, and sells the marijuana to retailers for $20 per pound.
    ($25 after his 25 % tax)
    The retailer sells 1 ounce units at $10 each including his 25% tax of $2, grossing $128 per pound.
    It looks like LOTS of room for profit, taxes, and still undercut the illegal trade.

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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I don't pretend to have the answer. I just don't think this should be seen as some kind of end game magically solving all the problems. The idea that you can shift the laws around cannabis to be like those for alcohol or tobacco and the social structures around them will suddenly shift too is either naive or dishonest in the extreme.
    How is it naive? The effects during Prohibition are the same effects that have been witnessed with criminalizing marijuana.

    And legalizing marijuana won't eliminate drug cartels, but I would suspect that full legalization of marijuana would surely a chunk out of the drug cartels.

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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm sorry, no one is that stupid. If you're just here to troll and not debate, go somewhere else. I hear TrollPolitics.com is looking for members.
    Down, RA, down boy! Do you really want to be a poster child for the common perception that Liberals become angry when faced with humor? I think Midwest Lib knew the Al Capone comment wasn't serious.

    Additionally, please review your tag line. In his original comment, Emanuel Derman capitalized the word "God." In your comment, both times you have removed the capitalization and improperly changed the word "God" to lower case. The result is that your tagline is hugely variant from Derman's statement and meaning. This sort of infantile plagiarism completely changes the original meaning to reflect your own personal quirks. Accuracy is important in the field of engineering, RA.

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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use



    Wow, big development. What will happen federally and will this be the beginning of a trend? I hope so. Thoughts?
    I hope it's a trend.
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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree in principal but my question stands; What makes people think this legislation will make the criminal networks currently supplying drugs disappear?

    I predict one or two small ventures will establish the taxed, regulated and controlled legal businesses in the state but the vast majority of users either won't want (because it's inconvenient, expensive, poor choice, don't trust the government) or be able to (because it's too far away, they're under 21) to buy there. The criminal networks, with all the negatives that come with them, will still exist. They could even benefit, from greater public acceptance and reduced police resources aimed in their direction.

    I don't pretend to have the answer. I just don't think this should be seen as some kind of end game magically solving all the problems. The idea that you can shift the laws around cannabis to be like those for alcohol or tobacco and the social structures around them will suddenly shift too is either naive or dishonest in the extreme.
    Legal, open markets tend to have much lower costs and be more far more convenient for consumers. Police seizures and the threat of such, violence, and no clear property rights all drive up costs significantly in a black market. Unless the legal market is too heavily regulated or taxed, the product will be far cheaper to produce legally. Consumers will also probably prefer the cheaper, safer, and easier to find pot.

    Now, it is always possible for governments to not go far enough, over-regulating, overtaxing, or still restricting the production and distribution of marijuana. The Netherlands had this problem, only decriminalizing pot and keeping distribution illegal. The black market was able to proliferate. Now, I have no idea how the federal government will play into this, but even with numerous raids a large above-ground market has developed in California. Hopefully, something similar will develop in Colorado.
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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Down, RA, down boy! Do you really want to be a poster child for the common perception that Liberals become angry when faced with humor? I think Midwest Lib knew the Al Capone comment wasn't serious.

    Additionally, please review your tag line. In his original comment, Emanuel Derman capitalized the word "God." In your comment, both times you have removed the capitalization and improperly changed the word "God" to lower case. The result is that your tagline is hugely variant from Derman's statement and meaning. This sort of infantile plagiarism completely changes the original meaning to reflect your own personal quirks. Accuracy is important in the field of engineering, RA.
    First off, I'm not liberal, you're just a clown. Second off, I corrected his grammar error. In the English language, simple nouns such as "god", "dog", "plant", and "human" are not capitalized.

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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    First off, I'm not liberal, you're just a clown. Second off, I corrected his grammar error. In the English language, simple nouns such as "god", "dog", "plant", and "human" are not capitalized. Please, tell me what you know about engineering.
    Don't try to lie your way out of it. To Christians, God is a proper noun and correctly capitalized as a proper noun. For you to profess to "Correct the grammar error" to further your atheist beliefs is shameful plagiarism, dishonest and would be very offensive to Derman.

    I know several engineers who are not insufferable asses.

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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Don't try to lie your way out of it. To Christians, God is a proper noun and correctly capitalized as a proper noun. For you to profess to "Correct the grammar error" to further your atheist beliefs is shameful plagiarism, dishonest and would be very offensive to Derman.

    I know several engineers who are not insufferable asses.
    Lie about what? Proper grammar? If you don't believe me you can look it up. If you and your buddies want to ignore English grammar that's your business.

    Thank you for trying to lump my anti-religious beliefs into my chosen profession.

    In the mean time, the rest of the world will be legalizing marijuana, while you sit there with nothing but your religion and hate.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Lie about what? Proper grammar? If you don't believe me you can look it up. If you and your buddies want to ignore English grammar that's your business. Thank you for trying to lump my anti-religious beliefs into my chosen profession. In the mean time, the rest of the world will be legalizing marijuana, while you sit there with nothing but your religion and hate.
    Don't forget the guns. You Godless loon Obama lovers don't want Americans to have guns. If you actually are in Europe, realize that without the United States, NO ONE is going to come to save your sorry butt.

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