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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Prove it's fabricated.
    I was refering to Briethart as a whole, and their pension for providing stories missing critical facts or adding false information. They are a bias source there's no doubting that. Also you're asking me to prove a negative, its the responsibility of the person making the claim to back it up with credible information.

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    You miss the big picture of the problem with federal control over disaster relief.

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    You arent looking at 'the facts'. You are ignoring the FEMA response along the coastline in 4 states. You are ignoring their responses to millions on the same day and cities completely eliminated. You are instead choosing to focus on one city...a city not devastated by the destructive gale forces but one underwater due to decades of failed management of their levies. A city that squandered millions annually in disaster preparedness...a city who, when the whip came down, had nothing to offer but a pamphlet to show for all the money that had been sent....a pamphlet produced in California and never distributed. You focus on a people that were not evacuated by their mayor, a city abandoned by a governor, and whose mayor decided to high tail it to Houston to ride the storm out. You focus on their failing and then assign the blame elsewhere. You excuse prior FEMA response times (as much as 4-5 WEEKS later) but then accept that FEMA should have un****ed the entire city in 3 days.

    You arent focused on 'facts'. You are focused on partisan rhetoric.
    Its true they are different disasters, and NYC was far better prepared for it than New Orleans was by a long shot. I don't claim to know all the facts nor have I done a real analysis on comparing the differences and similarities between the two to see if FEMA really is responding better or if it just looks better because the storm wasn't as bad and NYC was much better prepared. Of course it certainly looks better from the outside, but looks aren't everything that is true as well. My opinion may be premature and is certainly missing critical information like that analysis I spoke of, however the post-storm situation isn't as bad and is getting better in the days following rather than getting worse that's something to consider. And there's the fact that FEMA did arrive in NYC and the eastern seaboard much faster than they did after Katrina.

    What I am not doing is assigning blame to anyone, I don't blame Bush for FEMA's response to Katrina although I do have a low opinion of New Orleans mayor in how he handled and prepared for that crisis. I believe Bush got more blame that he really deserved, he certainly did his part quickly enough in declaring it a disaster zone and freeing up Federal aid like FEMA, however when he passed the ball to FEMA and the local agencies as is his job to do, they fumbled it pretty badly.

    So in the end all I'm really looking at are the results, I know they are different storms and provided different challenges, but one cannot deny that the response was going much worse by this time during Katrina than it is now during Sandy. For example unlike Katrina I haven't seen a story yet about someone dying post-storm due to lack of supplies or proper attention.

    I think we all need more information and I believe I jumped the gun in forming my opinion as quickly as I did, but by early accounts it looks like FEMA is doing a better job. I know people are short on gas but at least they aren't short on food or water to the point that their lives are threatened.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I was refering to Briethart as a whole, and their pension for providing stories missing critical facts or adding false information. They are a bias source there's no doubting that. Also you're asking me to prove a negative, its the responsibility of the person making the claim to back it up with credible information.
    Its true they are different disasters, and NYC was far better prepared for it than New Orleans was by a long shot. I don't claim to know all the facts nor have I done a real analysis on comparing the differences and similarities between the two to see if FEMA really is responding better or if it just looks better because the storm wasn't as bad and NYC was much better prepared. Of course it certainly looks better from the outside, but looks aren't everything that is true as well. My opinion may be premature and is certainly missing critical information like that analysis I spoke of, however the post-storm situation isn't as bad and is getting better in the days following rather than getting worse that's something to consider. And there's the fact that FEMA did arrive in NYC and the eastern seaboard much faster than they did after Katrina.

    What I am not doing is assigning blame to anyone, I don't blame Bush for FEMA's response to Katrina although I do have a low opinion of New Orleans mayor in how he handled and prepared for that crisis. I believe Bush got more blame that he really deserved, he certainly did his part quickly enough in declaring it a disaster zone and freeing up Federal aid like FEMA, however when he passed the ball to FEMA and the local agencies as is his job to do, they fumbled it pretty badly.

    So in the end all I'm really looking at are the results, I know they are different storms and provided different challenges, but one cannot deny that the response was going much worse by this time during Katrina than it is now during Sandy. For example unlike Katrina I haven't seen a story yet about someone dying post-storm due to lack of supplies or proper attention.

    I think we all need more information and I believe I jumped the gun in forming my opinion as quickly as I did, but by early accounts it looks like FEMA is doing a better job. I know people are short on gas but at least they aren't short on food or water to the point that their lives are threatened.
    Its good to know you arent like the other mindless retards that tripped over themselves to blame Bush for Katrina and ignored historical responses, actual on site responses across 4 states, the complete and total failings of individual, local and state government disaster preparedness and instead focused on "George Bush dont like black folk". Sadly...we see it still all too often...the mindless partisan response to Katrina...and even now to Sandy.

    Disasters are a bitch. They dont get fixed overnight and invariably, people suffer and some die. You can do all you can do and still have problems. There are always lessons to be learned. The best anyone SHOULD hope for is to come together, learn, rebuild, and grow. Unfortunately and invariably...partisanship always seems to rear its ugly head.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Walmart's Hurricane Sandy Response - Business Insider

    Walmart, that's right WALMART, was working days ago to make things happen in the Northeast. They did amazing things during Katrina too.
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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    The day before IKE, I was in line at Home depot.
    I asked the young man tending the line if his Family was prepared.
    He said he was from out of town, that Home depot had brought in extra
    crew, to allow local staff time for their own prep.
    He also said they had supplies staged and waiting to be brought in.
    Not all corporations are bad.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Walmart's Hurricane Sandy Response - Business Insider

    Walmart, that's right WALMART, was working days ago to make things happen in the Northeast. They did amazing things during Katrina too.
    From what I read, Home Depot and Lowes had semis directed directly to the cities and not to the distribution centers. Tractor trailers full of equipment and supplies. Preparation is good...especially when its one of those profit deals....

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The real one. It ISNT too hard to tell what world you are living in.
    Of course, the real world. The real world where because ya'll are still butt hurt over Katrina, you can't wait to pick up on the first piece of trashy reporting to try to equate the next storm to Katrina, even though the governors are praising our quick response. You're playing politics with it, and it's sad to see from you. I'd expect it from APDST but not you.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think there is a large misconception over what FEMA is and what it does.
    It's primary function is to MANAGE disasters, to coordinator the response for more efficiency.
    Hiring subs and vendors would be one of those methods.
    Long term they provide low interest loans, and trailers while people rebuild.

    FYI, something about their regulations, does not allow them to reuse trailers,
    so after this is all over, there will be a ton of surplus trailers for deer camps and such.
    I do understand. Their job is not to work, but rather to try to get others to work. They are government employed, meaning they aren't suppose to do anything.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Of course, the real world. The real world where because ya'll are still butt hurt over Katrina, you can't wait to pick up on the first piece of trashy reporting to try to equate the next storm to Katrina, even though the governors are praising our quick response. You're playing politics with it, and it's sad to see from you. I'd expect it from APDST but not you.
    Politicians all praising each other, while over a million people are literally still freezing over a week later. This is Democrats' and Obama's new view of what is good government and bi-partisanship. Mutually agreeing to praise each other while ordinary people freeze and die.

    One thing FEMA does do is it keeps a stockpile of coffins.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In the words of Samuel L Jackson...allow me to retort...

    I am a conservative. I believe enough in my personal values and principles that I left the GOP in 2003. 'Proud' of America? Ive never stopped being proud of my country. Ive never stopped being proud of the promise it offers, the hope and opportunity it provides. Hell, I'm proud of the 20-30 million immigrants, illegal and otherwise, that leave their country and risk life to have the opportunities available only here. Im proud of those that dig down deep, work two and three jobs and provide for a better future for their families. Im proud of the entrepreneurs, the small businessmen, the single mom working her ass off and attending night school to better herself. Im proud of those that live within their means, save a bit, take care of their families, and work hard to provide for them. Im proud of a whole lot of people.
    good for you.


    Proud of the federal government? Are you serious? Proud of two major political parties that sit their best and brightest at a table and cant come up with so much as a handful of deficit cuts over 10 year? Proud of two major parties and their zombielike supporters that care more for party than country?
    Yes I'm serious about hte federal government. Those dreaded bureaucrats that work day in and day out. those soldiers who defend the country. The security people who keep the citizens relatively safe. The diplomats that work to further democracy and represent the nation to the world. The secret service that safeguards the president et.al. The guys/girls that inspect america's food and water, the clerks who ensure that little old ladies get their pensions checks and the destitute get fed. ALL THOSE are the federal government.

    You want to be disgusted with politicians? Who isn't with the ridiculous parody of the democratic process that washington has become. But to condemn the federal government for the sins of partisan politics is misdirecting the disgust.

    Proud of 16 trillion in debt and a mindset that finds it acceptable to dump the cost of todays irresponsibility on future generations?
    A wise man once said to me (paraphrase it was a while ago), "lots of people complain about paying taxes, but every year when I write out my 6 figure check, I am thankful that this country enables me to make enough that I can send the damn check to washington."

    Now, perhaps you have failed to notice, but nearly every president has presided over the making of new debt that burdens future generations. Not all of that debt is irresponsibly generated. Be thankful that America can owe $16T and the world STILL DOESN"T HAVE A PROBLEM LENDING IT MORE MONEY. Consider exactly what that means wrt Americas economic prowess and the confidence the world has about its future.


    Proud of 47% of this country that pay no income tax and contribute nothing to the success of this country?
    You're kidding right? Do you know how many of that 47% are simply working stiffs? Do you realize they are not to blame for the tax structure as it stands? Do you realize that there are an enormous number of working poor and underemployed? Do you realize that of the 47% a fair chunk of them are either in school or retired? This constant refrain from the right demonstrates a profound ignorance of the lives that of huge swaths of their fellow citizens live. Its a bumpersticker meme of malicious mendaciousness. You should arm yourself with facts before determining if you are proud.

    Proud of the ever increasing lines of crippled and dependent pet begging for the government to toss them a few more handfuls of crumbs? Proud of states that cant manage their own budgets? Proud of people that overobligated themselves in debt and want someone else to blame it on and bail them out?
    I take it you'd rather put those lines of crippled pets down. Have you examined who makes up those "pets"? Even the terminology you use is hateful, dismissive and destructive. Interesting that you condemn those that "overobligated" themselves but for some reason feel comfortable that the financial predators who facilitated that "overobligations" are people you are proud of.


    Proud of people that refuse to work, meanwhile those immigrants we mentioned are driving Americans out of jobs markets? Proud of much of what passes for 'citizens' these days? Proud of the crippled and dependent pets that pollute our society-not those that CANT succeed but those that wont...those that reek of failure, those that didnt prepare for a future and now blame everyone else or their 'disability' for their own miserable existence?
    Again the "crippled and dependent pets". Such hatred such distain. There are those that you discribe in every society, always have and always will, but it seems as though you colour your world with single broad brushstrokes, generating disproportionate condemnation of so many more people than your described group actually consists of. Wow you are full of vitriol and hatred for those you have absolutely no understanding of. YOu have essentially erased your compassion and empathy because of a small odious and unrepresentative sample of your fellow citizens.

    Proud of a government that panders to people for votes and doesnt have the character and will to expect people to stand on their own two feet and fight? Proud of ****heads in skinny jeans that protest evil Wall Street then vote for politicians that have their pockets stuffed with banker and broker cash? Proud of people that claim they cant afford health care but have no problem affording their cable bills, cellphone bills, internet bills, Starbucks, cigarettes, etc? Proud of those people?
    You have stated you are not proud of more than half of your fellow citizens. You are not proud of your government. You are not proud of the honest working people who serve their country and their fellow citizens. condemn the many for the sins of the few.

    Given all this obvious dismissive disgust you have for the majority of your fellow citizens, one has to wonder what your concept of your country is? What is it if not the sum of its citizens?


    No. **** no.
    Doesnt mean I dont think will survive. Eventually.
    Given your obvious brutally negative perspective, its a wonder.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

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    Re: FEMA Taps Private Vendors to Meet Sandy Victim's Needs

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Of course, the real world. The real world where because ya'll are still butt hurt over Katrina, you can't wait to pick up on the first piece of trashy reporting to try to equate the next storm to Katrina, even though the governors are praising our quick response. You're playing politics with it, and it's sad to see from you. I'd expect it from APDST but not you.
    You have obviously missed the comments I have made supporting both FEMA AND Obamas efforts as well as Christies comments in support of the job Obama did. You cant get out of your own partisan way to get the point. When Clintons FEMA took 5 weeks to respond that was deemed acceptable. When Bush's FEMA responded same day across 4 states and only 3 days later in NOLA, that was deemed a disaster. Today, New York and NEw Jersey are struggling as well. Those same people that lambasted Bush hail FEMAs response as an unqualified success. My comments have not been directed to FEMA...or the presidents...but to the myopic partisan hacks that cant apply the same standard. When given the opportunity....you didnt either.

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